UAE plans to bankroll first ‘planned community’ in south Gaza

Do you really think anyone cares whether the Palestinians are traumatised? When I say anyone, I don’t just mean the Israeli government, I mean all the world’s leaders now. I’ve come to the conclusion that there are only two types of so called leaders. The pathetically weak or the morally corrupt. The Palestinians have been persecuted, treated worse than dirt with no self determination for decades and not one of the world’s leaders have done anything to help them. Now they’re going to be corralled into labour camps with no choice but to become cheap labour for the very people who destroyed what little dignity they had left.

Why do people keep harking back 80 years to try and justify things today? There are lots of things that happened 80 years ago, it doesn't mean it should happen today.

It's well known that the retrieval of bodies after disasters whether they are natural disasters or man made as in this case is important. For example it's important for the psychological well being of survivors, watching the disrespectful treatment of their loved ones is just healing more trauma on people who have spent the past two years living in the most dangerous place on earth, imagine watching your children being bulldozed away like dirt, disposed of like rubble?

Palestinians deserve closure and justice. Bulldozing it all away, building high rises and pretending like the past 2 years never happened isn't going to work. It's just going to further traumatise and possibly radicalise people to see their loved ones being treated with the same respect as rubble. Treated like dirt, again.

Nobody is even stopping to ask Palestinians what they want. No self determination again. We think it's best for you that we throw your loved in the pile of rubble so that's what we are going to do and you better be grateful for it.

I looked this up and over a million Germans went missing in WW2 - this includes all sorts of situations but all the pages agree there were hundreds of thousands of civilians who were never recovered. Thousands of Japanese civilians killed by the nuclear bombs were also never found and they apparently still came across them for decades after. So again no, this isn’t unique or unusual just very, very sad.

Dead bodies should be preserved however possible though, not built over by luxury resorts. That would be disgusting.

These luxury resorts are speculative at the moment, right, though?

Germans & Japanese were able to bury their dead, I think - for the most part?

It’s unbelievable how some people are trying to paint this as some magnanimous solution. Gaza was already one of the most densely populated areas on earth. They’re now planning on jamming the entire population into less than half the land, away from the coast because that is where the luxury resorts are going to go. Gaza was always seen as an open air prison but this is something else now. The Palestinians formally recognised the State of Israel in 1993 giving up their claim to 78% of historical Palestine in order to reach a two state solution. Israel totally reneged on the deal and did not recognise Palestine. Israel has made it perfectly clear they will never recognise Palestine and will do everything in their power to block a two state solution. They brag about it ffs. Israel wants more land, not less. They don’t even try to hide the intention.

It is a fact of humanity that the losing side in any war doesn’t get to set the terms of reconstruction. Gazan citizens will have the choice to live in a neighbourhood free from Hamas, with access to housing, food, water, medical care and work. Many will think the freedoms they give up will be worth it. Some will do it out of desperation because living permanently in tents is a horrible life. Others will refuse. It is up to each individual Gazan to make their choice.

Rather than getting sanctimonious, those of us in the west should have a look at what life was like for German citizens immediately after the Second World War.

I disagree that the world would be up in arms about Israeli dead bodies. There was less sympathy for 7/10/23 than I would have expected and that was an attack on live Israelis.

You know who really, really cares about Israeli dead bodies? Israel does.

That is one of the many tragedies about Gazans, that even their own leaders show very little concern for them alive or dead apart from using them for propaganda.

The fact is Gaza has now been stolen from the Palestinians and the theft is being touted as a solution for the poor Palestinians. It is as simple as that. It is disgusting colonialism in its purest form.

It is the fact that no one cares about the Palestinians that gets me. I thought that the days of Israel gaslighting the world into believing they were the good guys and the Palestinians were the bad guys was over but unfortunately it appears I’m wrong.

We disagree here because I believe their life should be better without Hamas rather than “even worse”. Could it even get much worse than what years of living under Hamas rule has led them to?

I don’t know how this planned community in south Gaza will work out for Gazans or indeed from the bigger peace plan. But I fail to see how it could get much worse for them than living in tents in refugee camps in poverty which is the current reality for so many.

Many countries don't care about the Sudanese or Iranians or other people living in conflict situations etc so why should the Palestinians be different. I can not understand why the Palestinians should be treated differently, yet some people think they should be given allsorts of considerations, which, bearing in mind the cheering on and celebrating after 7th Oct and the spitting on raped and brutalised Shani Louk (for example) or cheering the dead Bibas babies, doesn't set them apart at all.

I wish countries cared for all suffering people, the Iranians, the Sudanese, The Urghurs, as well as the Palestinians, but they don't.

I’m not sure where you sit with your opinions on the conflict but in this case I have to say you are right. The Palestinians are a people abandoned by just about every country in the world. They have no state, no self determination, no nothing. They have no choice other than to continue resisting which will lead to nothing but more suffering, try to leave and make a life as refugees in other countries or accept their fate and eek out a living in what is effectively an even worse concentration camp which people are laughably calling workforce housing units. There is nothing I, or anyone else, can do for them but I really hope the younger generation remember, the bds movement grows and these luxury developments become nothing more than white elephants and economic disasters for the investors. I doubt it though. I no longer have any faith in humanity and am desperately ashamed of our leaders.

Some set the Palestinians as more deserving than other people in conflict. It's not difficult to understand that. I propose all people in conflict situations deserve support and help equally. None are more deserving than others to true humanitarians.

It does indeed. And I think that takes us back to the sort of framing a Hamas controlled education system is going to provide.

I trust Hamas to ensure full coverage of the likes of Smotrich in any schooling system they're in charge of. What they're not going to do is explain that there are multiple factions in Israeli society, that 7th October handed the lunatic fringe settlers in the West Bank a golden opportunity to steal more land, and that the attacks deliberately targeted the sort of Israeli who does want to work towards a fair two state solution. That the whole point of killing people like Vivian Silver and Shani Louk was to try and kybosh any peace process. But to move forward, Gazan children will need to understand both sides of this.

Some set the Palestinians as more deserving than other people in conflict. It's not difficult to understand that. I propose all people in conflict situations deserve support and help equally. None are more deserving than others to true humanitarians.

What a strange post. Totally vilify and then wish they were supported. Really don’t know what to make of that.

Many countries don't care about the Sudanese or Iranians or other people living in conflict situations etc so why should the Palestinians be different. I can not understand why the Palestinians should be treated differently, yet some people think they should be given allsorts of considerations, which, bearing in mind the cheering on and celebrating after 7th Oct and the spitting on raped and brutalised Shani Louk (for example) or cheering the dead Bibas babies, doesn't set them apart at all.

I wish countries cared for all suffering people, the Iranians, the Sudanese, The Urghurs, as well as the Palestinians, but they don't.

I’m not sure where you sit with your opinions on the conflict but in this case I have to say you are right. The Palestinians are a people abandoned by just about every country in the world. They have no state, no self determination, no nothing. They have no choice other than to continue resisting which will lead to nothing but more suffering, try to leave and make a life as refugees in other countries or accept their fate and eek out a living in what is effectively an even worse concentration camp which people are laughably calling workforce housing units. There is nothing I, or anyone else, can do for them but I really hope the younger generation remember, the bds movement grows and these luxury developments become nothing more than white elephants and economic disasters for the investors. I doubt it though. I no longer have any faith in humanity and am desperately ashamed of our leaders.

Getting rid of terrorists is "reeducation"?

So a ghetto with compulsory reeducation and surveillance on all financial transactions? It sounds appalling.