Israel stopping 35 NGOS from working in West Bank or Gaza

Just not true that I'm the only one talking about aid on this thread.

You seem to be getting annoyed but it's not my fault that organisations like MSF have chosen to be heavily involved in criticising Israel or that Israel have chosen to no longer tolerate it. Nor is it my fault that Palestinian people particularly women are having to live such desperate lives in Gaza now.

We always come back to who do you blame for the deterioration in their lives? The war in Gaza has done nothing but worsen things for them. This is what Hamas have dragged them into and their lives will never really improve while Hamas continues to exist in Gaza. That's a hard fact.

Even if Israel are partly at fault for not allowing more humanitarian aid and more medical staff, what kind of life will it be for Palestinians until they get better leaders? No country will invest in rebuilding Gaza except as a commercial opportunity and it's all empty words from the international community because no one knows how to help a country that is run by terrorists that sacrifice their own people to further their cause.

Considering Maternity Kits were one of the items that Israel has banned it shows they couldn't give a shit about pregnant Palestinian women.

No you are the only poster who is focussing on this and choosing to ignore the other highlighted facts for example that msf currently assist at one in three births .
but hey many Palestinian women have had to give birth in dirty ruins without pain relief so what is some more suffering for them as long as it serves Israel

People keep bringing up aid though so I feel obliged to have to keep repeating the facts about that.

Re medical attention, UK-Med is one of the NGOs that will still be continuing to work in Gaza. They have fulfilled the requirements re answering the questions about staff & have no known affiliations to terror organisations.

https://www.uk-med.org/#:~:text=UK%2DMed%20is%20a%20humanitarian,by%20the%20World%20Health%20Organization.

You have stated this a few times now and posters have responded and explained how it is more than just aid but you refuse to acknowledge that and just keep repeating the same thing. Pointless engaging with you

Whose going to provide the doctors that assist at 1in 3 births and at 1in 5 bedsides considering Israel have already murdered 1700 healthcare workers and imprisoned without trial many others.

It's not just about aid, these doctors weren't even allowed bring in a stethoscope or formula so if course they wouldn't count in Israels (fabricated) 99% figure.

Also, the willingly non-compliant agencies can provide the aid to the compliant/licensed agencies for distribution.
This is another storm in a teacup, not worthy of further angst. There are readily available solutions.

@ilovepuppies2019 I don’t know what’s so hard to process about they were only providing 1% of the aid anyway. This being the case, why are you suggesting it’s “mass killing” not “simply unfortunate that aid won’t reach Gaza”?

99% of the aid that is currently reaching Gaza will continue to do so.

Agree with all of this @ilovepuppies2019 . I also think making life in Gaza so unliveable in the hope Palestinians will leave us also an aim. It's ethnic cleansing but in a less obvious way.
Removing MSF makes life so much more difficult especially when we see the sheer amount of people their doctors directly treat .

No there are not other organisations who can take over these responsibilities. There is a name that can take over another name on a list but there is not the same thing. Israel would like us to think that organisations like MSF and Oxfam do very little and largely unknown organisations can take their place but that’s very clearly not true. The idea that you can ban most major NGOs and that this is both justified and simply replaceable aid is a deadly notion. Israel have decided that only they are sufficiently unbiased enough, capable enough and responsible enough to approve the aid. The largest organisations in the world who deliver aid in war zones apparently all have no idea how to do this jobs and are all antisemitic. That idea is patently absurd.

It is not reasonable to reach the conclusion that the largest NGOs who are experienced working in war zones simply weren’t sufficiently organised or interested in to meet standard requirements. It isn’t simply unfortunate that aid won’t reach Gaza, it is mass killing.

I really don’t believe that the average person will accept that every major NGO must be banned from Gaza, that there cannot be functioning hospitals, that there cannot be independent reporters, that refugee camps had to be targeted and doctors had to be killed etc. the pattern is very clear

No worse than the journalists they have in Gaza that never criticise Hamas (all of them).

The existence of Israel must be supported. The genocidal actions of N’s government must be fought.

It’s been confirmed as genocide by essentially every international source possible. Denying this places countries on the fringe and well outside of international law. The time for debate over what to call this level of rampant killing has passed as it’s been resolved. Disagreeing with a definition changes nothing about the atrocities happening in Gaza.

I would hope they all efforts would be on stopping the killing and improving the situation for the people of Gaza. Removing essential aid very clearly makes the situation vastly worse which is the design of the decision.

You would make a pretty shite journalist so.

There are other medical NGOs that have fulfilled the new requirements.

On page 3 of this thread there is a link to those NGOs published by Jerusalem Post.

Of course it would be better if no organisations had to pull out but ultimately that is the choice they made by not providing the information required.

Exactly. MSF provide irreplaceable aid. They are the major medical supplier.

This decision is utterly unjustifiable. The notion that MSF just can’t get it together and meet reasonable registration requirements is pure fantasy. The decision to ban aid meets a clearly established pattern.

Some of that aid is irreplaceable and it is much more than food. Almost all medical aid is supplied by one now banned organisation. Another organisation won’t simply pick that back up. The organisations disgree with you and I think many of the largest organisations in the are in a better position to know than a poster on Mumsnet. Or course the largest NGOs done only provide 1 per cent and the job won’t just be done by another NGO.

I wouldn’t be meeting the leaders because I wouldn’t put myself in that position in the first place. If I came across them by chance I would be polite & respectful nothing more. Nothing to make them hug me like an old friend.

Yes lots of entrenched opinions….

I said what would you do upon meeting them, I for sure would smile and hug if it meant keeping myself safe, and able to still do my job.

Can’t be bothered to keep going over old ground when people’s opinions are entrenched anyway. Though seeing as this is a new question, if I had to live under Hamas I would be keeping my distance from them as far as possible and doing nothing to come to the attention of their leaders.

What are the other reasons? Is every person photographed hugging Puff Daddy or Epstein a sex trafficking rapist?

If you had to live under Hamas what would you do upon meeting them?

The IDF were targeting him for other reasons but people always say where's the evidence this person was connected to Hamas because funnily enough security information is not widely shared. In this case there is photographic evidence of his close relationship with Hamas but it still gets disputed so what can you say.

Jeez you leave for a while and come back and someone is pro the execution of a man based off a photo of a hug. A literal snapshot with zero context as to what came before or after. Savage.

I was replying to the comment by @ilovepuppies2019 about aid.