Israel stopping 35 NGOS from working in West Bank or Gaza

It is all a bit confusing tbh.

Times of Israel are normally good on facts (better than the BBC it seems) and say that Some groups have already been barred from bringing in aid, so I apologise that the BBC report led me to believe that it was all of them .

The Times of Israel give the example of an NGO on the list, the Norwegian Refugee Council, that has not been allowed to bring in supplies in 10 months, leaving it distributing tents and aid brought in by other groups.

They also report that since the ceasefire began in early October, MSF has brought in about 7% of the 2,239 tons of medical supplies that Israel has allowed into Gaza, according to a UN tracking dashboard.

Well COGAT who made that statement tell so many lies they don't know their own truth because they posted on their own X account

1. Since the current ceasefire began, MSF brought in 95 aid trucks.

Shame on the BBC for giving a forum to blatant lying.

What do you mean they provided supports? If you think they provided support despite what the Israel minister said, where did you get that view from?

No but they provided supports so your 1% point is literally pointless as numerous posters have pointed out

Not so.

As per the BBC report that has already been posted on this thread:

The INGOs facing suspension "did not bring aid into Gaza throughout the current ceasefire", which began 11 weeks ago.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1evp7weyv2o

The organisations which Israel has now chosen to ban have been working for the last few months that is about to stop that is the issue @Twiglets1 as well you know

The expertise of the organisations listed as compliant has been working well in the last few months with regards to food it seems, although more is always welcome of course.

Now imagine it was a country that neighbours the US who was looking for all of the info. And that country had killed at least 1 person of your profession every day for 2 years. You had watched a video of someone in your profession begging for their life but it didn't work because their body and the bodies of 14 colleagues were found in a mass grave, all done by the government that is looking for all of this information. Would you be so chill about it?

I’m sure the lack of famine is a relief to all of us despite the ongoing food insecurity and malnutrition in some cases of the most vulnerable.

Of course it is a relief so any threat to that progress is a concern, and you said yourself that there is still food insecurity and children suffering the effects of malnutrition so more is needed not less and crucially the expertise of those from organisations such as MSF

Even the UN acknowledge that the food situation has greatly improved since the ceasefire and that has been reflected in the objective price of food in Gaza. I’m sure the lack of famine is a relief to all of us despite the ongoing food insecurity and malnutrition in some cases of the most vulnerable.

At this stage Israel has just completely ignored international law so many times it's just one more arrogant act they know that they will not be punished for.

Considering there is still such need in the region for aid the removal of all these agencies will have a severe impact. Very easy to claim there will still be agencies working there as we sit in our nice warm houses but looking at the conditions most of the population are existing in it is obvious that once again Palestinian peoples lives are seen as disposable by the powers that occupy them (and their supporters.

The 1% figure is interesting considering it is Israel who allows the aid to enter the country and who is bringing it in it and many of the affected NGO's have been blocked since March from bringing aid in conveniently leading to figures such as this.

As the Norwegian Refugee Council states
Recent efforts to assess the impact of deregistering INGOs through selective metrics do not capture how humanitarian assistance is delivered in practice. Humanitarian access must be measured by whether civilians receive the right assistance, in the right place, at the right time.

That's a shame because just skimming subjects means you misunderstand pretty important details. In this case that the Israeli government won’t let civilians have aid.

For the benefit of those just joining us, the organisations on this list have only been supplying 1% of the aid coming into Gaza in recent months, so if they need to stop in just under 60 days, it won't be as impactful as you imagine.

I don’t have time to read the whole thread, but I don’t have to to know that that is a stunningly long list of excluded orgs and that it includes the main ones.

When I moved to the US (American husband), my green card application required the names and addresses of my grandparents. It said they wanted the info even if they were deceased - which they were, 17 years earlier!

Civilians will still be getting aid. Just not from these particular organisations. Read the whole thread.

Wow. This is so dreadful. I get that what Hamas did was indescribable, but I don’t get why the Israeli government won’t let civilians have aid. I’m no expert, but I’d have thought that’s against international law.

If the requirements are so impossible for organisations like Oxfam to adhere to, then why have many other NGOs been able to meet them & continue working in Gaza?

It is reasonable that Israel is sensitive about organisations they are working with not being ones that engage in activities or criticism which delegitimise the state of Israel. They haven’t called themHolocaust deniers. They are presumably just sick of organisations like Oxfam constant one sided criticism of Israel while not acknowledging the problems in Gaza that are not Israel’s fault like not knowing who is Hamas and who isn’t due to their fighters hiding amongst civilians.

Individual members of the Israeli government do not represent government policy. They are a coalition government with some ministers with extremist views. It is not government policy to cleanse the Gaza Strip of Palestinian people. If it were then Israel would have acted quite differently in the war & been a lot more aggressive. They have the military capability & Hamas no match for the IDF militarily.

In your post Hamas get one sentence acknowledging they are terrorists, Israel get 3 paragraphs of vitriol, emotive language & lies. For the sake of not getting into another argument I will choose as the least controversial lie the one about Netanyahu’s government being immune from criticism. How can you say that with a straight face?

Exactly this. Israel's Ministry of Diaspora Affairs and Combating Antisemitism has introduced rules for aid organisations, including that they must not engage in any activities or criticism which "delegitimise" the state of Israel.

Of course Israel would like to pretend that this is denying the right for Israel to exist or the Holocaust but that's very obviously not the requirement. The idea that MSF and almost every other major NGO is a a Holocaust denier is so utterly ridiculous that no one would believe them.

The head of Oxfam explained what Israel meant by the term 'delegitimise.' "It means that if we are to report against on aid obstruction, on harm done to our colleagues … So if we were to monitor and report that, that would be a reason to refuse us registration or deregister us from Israel. And so basically it restricts our access but [it] also is meant to almost silence us."

The sole purpose of this new requirement is to prevent large scale, main stream NGOs from accessing the Gaza Strip. This serves the dual purpose of preventing reporting, forcing us to rely on Israel's fabricated data, and making life vastly worse in the Gaza Strip so that more Palestine's find a way to relocate or die.

Yes the horrific war crimes of Hamas are utterly awful and terrible acts of terrorism.

And the genocide being committed in Gaza by the Israeli government is a horrific war crime and utterly awful. The Israeli Government have been very explicit in their desire to cleanse the Gaza strip of Palestinian people.

Following the October 7 attacks, then Minister of Intelligence Gila Gamliel recommended a plan which proposed the forced expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza into Egypt. Minister of Heritage Amihai Eliyahu called for dropping an atomic bomb on Gaza. Minister of Communications Shlomo Karhi advocated for the forced removal of civilians and for Israel to settle the region, a position that other ministers endorsed.

The difference is that Hamas is known and recognised terrorist government. Netanyahu's Iraeli Government has been provided billions in weapons (which we are manufacturing), given International support for his genocidal program, celebrated in the White House and is immune from criticism. The Israeli government are openly championing ethnic cleansing and genocide.

This is the sort of thing Israel 'won't tolerate'

https://www.msf.org/survey-finds-high-mortality-rate-among-msf-staff-and-families-gaza

https://www.doctorswithoutborders.ca/msf-report-reveals-so-called-ghf-run-food-distributions-in-gaza-as-sites-of-orchestrated-killing/

https://msf.org.uk/article/gaza-msf-finds-1-4-young-children-and-pregnant-women-malnourished

I mean how very dare they speak about their killed staff and their staffs family members, children being shot trying to get food or young children and pregnant women being malnurished. I'm curious to know why you think Israel 'won't tolerate' this factual reporting of what they are seeing in Gaza? You are supporting their choice to try and suppress this so must have ideas about why you think it is necessary?

I can guess you aren’t referring to the war crimes of Hamas or their desire to cleanse the world of Jewish people.

That is a topic people on this board never like to focus on though no one is antisemitic apparently.

Yeah unfortunately many find justifying and defending war crimes and ethnic cleansing a deal breaker for politeness.

I wouldn’t be polite to an antisemite either, some people’s basic morals aren’t compromised by prejudice

I spend a lot of time defending Israel because I support them over Hamas in the war and think there's an awful lot of antisemitism on this board which needs to be challenged.

People on other boards can discuss the issues in Gaza without personal attacks or only blaming one side but not the CITME board it seems.

Might not be your fault but you spend a awful
lot of time justifying and excusing it.

Annoyed?! No just horrified like most people