Israel stopping 35 NGOS from working in West Bank or Gaza

I questioned it a short while ago and my post was deleted so expect yours to be deleted too. There is a serious double standard - accuse someone of supposedly terrorism and it is debate, accuse someone of supporting Israel and your post is deleted.

I must have missed something because I only saw posts suggesting twiglets was spouting Israeli propaganda and considering many posters have been accused of spouting Hamas propaganda, including on this thread, or being accused of supporting Hamas for holding a different view to some posters but when reported you just get a "challenge it on the thread response". Unsure why @HopeMumsnet got involved so directly here? Not saying don't agree with it would just like a bit of consistency.

I didn’t say I have been attacked for being Jewish. I’m not Jewish and have said so several times.

What I said is that there is a reason why it is so rare for someone who is Jewish to post on this board (or stay for long).

It’s not nice when multiple people make personal attacks just for having different opinions & the number of deletions on this thread show how common this has been. Despite being non Jewish myself, I can empathise with why most Jewish people have been scared away from the CITME board.

No one has attacked you for being jewish that I have seen. Many anti genocide posters are jewish and I have seen threads where they have been attacked and accused of lying about being jewish on the CITME boards by pro Israeli posters. No one has been attacked for their religious beliefs on this thread and it is disingenuous to pretend they have.

Thank you @HopeMumsnet

I’m a genuine member of the community who just happens to share a different opinion to most people on the CITME board. Across MN generally my views seem much more common as I have seen on recent threads on AIBU & Chat. People have different views & perspectives but on other boards it’s easier to have a civil debate without personal attacks.

I don’t want to be scared away from expressing my personal opinions on CITME as so many others have admitted to being discouraged. There is a reason why it is so rare for someone who is Jewish to post on this board about their experiences & perspective. I’m stepping away from this particular thread but I appreciate your support.

I feel like people on this board only present things from one perspective so they present it like there is no justification at all for Israel requiring personal details about humanitarian staff working in Gaza.

People on this board are not alone in their view on this and many countries including The UK have spoken out against these organisations being banned so it is in bad faith to insinuate posters here are holding isolated views.

Your view mainly comes from the Israeli perspective and I for one do not believe anything that comes from the current Israeli government. They have been proven to lie again and again and again.

I would also like to know who are the Hamas affiliated sources you are referring to in your quote below?

Well you choose to believe without question everything that comes from Hamas affiliated sources …

From the same article Israel has bucked the criticism, arguing the new regulations aim to prevent organizations it accuses of supporting terrorism from operating in Gaza and the West Bank.

Naturally it will always be denied by these organisations that they have employees that support terrorism. This was also strongly denied by UNRWA but there was enough evidence against them for the US to stop funding the organisation. Other countries including the UK also paused funding to UNRWA in light of the allegations that 12 staff were involved in the 7 October attack against Israel. The UK & some other countries has now reinstated funding, but only after UNRWA came up with an action plan setting out detailed reforms.

If Israel are hyper vigilant about security measures, I believe that to be understandable given 7/10. If there were to be another attack, they would be criticised for not having been stringent enough. As always, I feel like people on this board only present things from one perspective so they present it like there is no justification at all for Israel requiring personal details about humanitarian staff working in Gaza.

In their statement, the European countries said the banned NGOs “constitute a significant part of all humanitarian and especially health services in Gaza and the West Bank.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/7-european-countries-condemn-latest-israeli-laws-targeting-unrwa-ngos/amp/

“Seven European countries on Monday condemned Israeli legislation that includes measures to cut water, electricity and communications to facilities run by the UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA).

“Such actions undermine the UN mandate, violate international law, and contravene the findings of the International Court of Justice, while also entailing serious humanitarian consequences for the Palestinian civilian population and refugees,” said a joint statement by Iceland, Ireland, Luxembourg, Malta, Norway, Slovenia and Spain.”

I just think people are delusional who think Netanyahu and his government are immune from criticism in a wider context than just Mumsnet. I don’t know about Australia specifically but lots of leaders have been critical and mainstream media as well as social media has focused on the Gaza war to a disproportionate amount. I picked the example I did because I didn’t think it would be controversial to say Netanyahu’s government receives a lot of criticism but obviously even this is something pro Pals on MN will dispute. I honestly feel like I live in a different universe where apparently Israel gets little criticism. It makes it pointless debating when people just deny the reality we can all see so I’ll leave it there.

Islamophobia as an issue is very widely reported in the mainstream media I read, both left & right wing. The main reason antisemitism is being talked about a lot at the moment - especially in Australia I would imagine - is because of the very recent attacks on Bondi Beach which specifically targeted Jewish people. Finally we find some agreement though in your statement that both antisemitism and Islamophobia are equally important and both attacks equally disgusting. I feel confident that if Jewish extremists attacked & killed Muslims tomorrow in Australia there would be as much outrage expressed as there was following the Bondi attack. People feel worried about the rise in antisemitism in society and Bondi shows the end result if hatred against Jews is allowed to grow unchecked. What normal decent people want is for people to live in peace without antisemitism or Islamophobia flourishing.

Exactly this. I do agree with you @Twiglets1 that the Israeli Government receives criticism on Mumsnet and via protests. That wasn't what I meant and I'm sorry if gave that impression. @KoalaKoKo has captured what I meant. The Government is immune from criticism from other influential leaders who could make a difference and the wider media. There is very little reporting on Gaza from Australia which stops the wider public from understanding the genocide that's occuring. Many people just assume that the ceasefire 'worked' and the situations been fixed. There is no commentary on what's happening in the West Bank. We are actively supporting the Israel Government by providing weapons and yet the media won't even report on how those weapons are being used. Our governments are complicit and actively supporting genocide.

There is disproportionate reporting on attacks or deaths in Israel compared to Gaza. It's spread to disproportionate reporting on antisemitic attacks compared to Islamophobic attacks. In Australia, there has been a recorded 740% increase in Islamophobic incidents. That's only been reported by left leaning media as islamophobia is not an issue that the wider media is even prepared to acknowledge. There has been a horrible jump is both antisemitism and Islamophobia and BOTH need to be addressed. Both groups need to be seen as equally important and attacks are equally disgusting.

Readers who are briefly stopping by should understand that yes, Israel is banning vast amounts of aid and preventing the largest most successful NGOs from reaching the most vulnerable victims in Gaza.

The 1% claim is a lie from the Israeli authorities in an attempt to get people to look the other way. Israel have decided that the aid provided by the largest NGOs only amounts to 1%. Legitimate news organisations have explain that this excludes field hospitals, health clinics, water treatment programs, cash payments and soup kitchens. In other words, the majority of the healthcare and clean water will be stopped. Obviously this is cuts from the tiny amount of aid that Israel have allowed to enter the country. Vast amounts of aid is simply not permitted at all:

"In fact, all of our many, many requests to bring our humanitarian goods into Gaza since March this year have been denied, including very recently, and those items include food in Jordan, sanitary pads for women, very basic and essential items," Ruth James, Oxfam's humanitarian coordinator for the Middle East and North Africa, told the ABC.

"I think it's clear Palestinians are not allowed to leave Gaza. So if we can't get anything into them and they can't get out, obviously the situation for them is going to become even more catastrophic than it has been, which it is honestly very difficult to imagine.

It's hard to believe that this is being justified on the grounds that Israel shouldn't have to work with organisations that criticise them for doing this.

The most awful part is that this being handwaved away or reported as a minor story by many news organisations who are too frightened of being called antisemitic to inform people about this human tragedy. It is not acceptable to ban aid to civilians and is yet another clear violation of international law.

Sorry but it’s just untrue to say Netanyahu’s government is immune to criticism.

You couldn’t even resist doing it again in that post.

It depends on the context - in some circles, particularly government and corporate, it is immune from criticism - there are some people too that will say any form of criticism of the Israeli government is anti semitism. Israel still receives aid and arms from the US, western governments still trade with it, there have been no real sanctions from Europe, the US, the UK etc… Membership of Hamas automatically makes you a criminal in Europe, the UK and the US but the same can not be said of Netanyahu’s government of the IDF which took part in genocide. Criticism and boycotts have had an impact on some Israeli companies profits and the tide of opinion has certainly turned against Israel now so I can see both points of view. I don't believe it counts as one person lying but a difference of interpretation and context.

To say there are 3 paragraphs full of vitriol and lies is to dismiss someone’s points as untrue when they are based on evidence and facts. The comments made by Israeli politicians are in the record, the billions in aid is on the record, the arms manufacturing is on the record.

Which part is a lie? I I said I will choose as the least controversial lie the one about Netanyahu’s government being immune from criticism.

Netanyahu's government isn't immune from criticism is it? People are on Mumsnet almost every day criticising it and lot of other places.

Yet the poster I was replying to said Netanyahu's Iraeli Government ... is immune from criticism.

Thank you.

I do always post in good faith and willing to admit it when I realise I've got something wrong.

Confused by this, which part is a a lie? You can’t accuse someone of lying without pointing out the lie!

Also who is currently murdering civilians despite a ceasefire being in place and who has murdered the most civilians, over 20,000 children. Maybe we should divide up the words of condemnation between the two groups of murdering terrorists based on the number of children murdered or the number of child amputees!

In your defence @Twiglets1 (and you know I won't say that lightly ..) the statement reads exactly as you posted in good faith. I had read recently about the MSF trucks so knew it was inaccurate.

According to the Bushra Khalidi, Oxfam’s policy lead for Israel and the Palestinian territories, many of the 37 groups already had been blocked from bringing supplies into Gaza since March.

Not all of them though, which I wish I could edit and the BBC ought to clarify in their article!