4 countries to boycott Eurovision due to Israel’s continued inclusion

I wouldn't waste yoyr time @dairydebris everyone else understood your perfectly sensible point.

I thought you were being deliberately obtuse tbh.

Whoever is picked will be representing Israel, and for that reason some believe they should be excluded.

This is a very different statement to your first.

Please show me the disinformation and I'll have that post removed. Thats the last thing I wanted to do, I just wanted to make a point about boycotts and art.

Its not misinformation its just not being pedantic. The point is that they, whoever they are, are representing Israel and that is why there are calls for a boycott.

It's not irrelevant at all. Whether she means to or not dairy is spreading disinformation. Nobody is boycotting the eurovision because of the nationality of an artist who nobody even knows the identity of. It is misrepresentating what is actually happening.

I made it clear in my post I don't know. Youre being deliberately obtuse. Whoever is picked will be representing Israel, and for that reason some believe they should be excluded.
In my opinion thats an opportunity for this 'art' to build bridges and promote unity being missed.
No one seems keen to comment on whether or not this boycott is promoting division- because you know it is, but you dont want to be seen to promote division.
In any case, I've now referred to bloody EV as 'art' an embarassing large number of times to try to make my point- which still does not appear to be landing- so I'll just assume you feel different and leave it there.

Good grief @CrossChecking you really are splitting hairs. How often is a country represented at Eurovision by someone not of that nationality? It happens but its irrelevant to the point.

What is the nationality of artist that will be representing Israel? I was under the impression they havent chosen the artist yet?

If they are not boycotting because of the nationality of the Israeli entry why are they boycotting?

Nations/ broadcasters are boycotting because they dont want to be part of a competition that also allows an Israeli entry no? Because they are not happy about Israel's conduct in Gaza? So, because of Israels conduct in Gaza, no matter who will sing Israels entry, no matter the views of that artist on Israels conduct in Gaza, no matter the message of that artists song, that artist is not welcome because they are Israeli.

You said people want artists excluded because of their nationality - I do think excluding certain artists because of their nationality shows a paucity of thinking. That isn't what is happening. None of this is about the artist. Israel haven't even selected their representative yet so countries boycotting because of the nationality of the artist would be a more than a little bit premature.

If you are confused around the issue you can Google and see each broadcasters reason for boycotting, they are readily available. Not a single one is because of the nationality of the artist Israel have chosen to represent them(not least because they haven't chosen one).

I thought these nations wanted Israel excluded and because Israel was not excluded they're boycotting?

Can you explain what you mean by my paucity of thinking? I thought I was making valid points about wanting more unity and less division but no one seems interested in that? Ive genuinely thought about it. Can you elaborate on what fundamental I've failed to grasp and perhaps enlighten me? I'm open to hearing what I've got wrong...

I do think excluding certain artists because of their nationality shows a paucity of thinking.

Who is talking about doing this(apart from you obviously)? Do you think if the person representing Israel was Norwegian for instance like Irelands artist was going to be everyone would be like yeah, cool, no need to boycott they aren't Israeli 🤷🏻‍♀️ Honestly, talk about a paucity of thinking. A whole thread on the topic and people still don't even seem able to grasp the fundamentals.

Yes, I disagree with Russias exclusion.

And if it was possible for there to be a Palestinian entry I'd support that too.

Honestly I know EV is just a cheesy singing competition but songs, music, art, storytelling, its a way for people to come together and talk about the things that make us all the same, love, family, hope, whatever you want to write / sing about, we can all find something to agree on in these... I think it can be about the human condition.

Yes I know its lofty but art is? I dont see the harm in aiming lofty.

I do think excluding certain artists because of their nationality shows a paucity of thinking.

How manybl times do we have to go over the completely different issue of Russia ffs? Russia literally invaded anothether EBU country. Of course it was going to get lchucked out

No it says nothing. I am perfectly capable of considering the suffering of Palestinians. This conversation was about the 'bravery' of a priveleged persin who witnessed the bullying of a Nova survivor and did nothing.

‘Art transcends politics and division’

A lofty phrase. If only.

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/palestinian-childrens-art-exhibition-closed/

Oh I absolutely believe in the right to protest, and I also believe in the right to laugh at a protest that is poorly thought through, counter productive, or a protest that is in fact mere self promotion and posturing. We both here have the right to express our views and laugh at each other if we find the other hilarious.

Nothing to say about my points about a boycott causing further division?

How true, indifference to the experience of Yuval Raphael and indifference to her bullying was indeed an act of complicity.

Bullocks.

I've added below a straight lift from wiki but will summarize for you. Wiesel was a Holocaust survivor who absolutely steadfast in his support for Israel, not surprising considering what he went through. He went further in support of Israel than many on these threads do, backing Netanyahu and the Settlers. He hosted peace talks between Palestinians and Israelis.

I'm sure he wouldn't really care about you co- opting his words in this silly way, but there's absolutely no doubt where his support would lie- whatever you may wish to think.

The boycott is just silly. Imagine how much better if artists were standing together to support Israeli artists in hopes of peace and as an example of reconciliation. Foot stamping and crying 'I won't sing if Israel is'... whats that actually achieving other than more division?

"As a political activist, Wiesel became a regular speaker on the subject of the Holocaust and remained a strong defender of human rights during his lifetime, advocating for justice in numerous causes around the globe, including that of Soviet Jews and Ethiopian Jews, South African apartheid, the Rwandan genocide, the Bosnian genocide, the War in Darfur, the Kurdish independence movement, the Armenian genocide, Argentina's Desaparecidos, Nicaragua's Miskito people, the Sri Lankan Tamils, and the Cambodian genocide. He was also an outspoken advocate for Israel and frequently weighed in to support the country during escalations of the Arab–Israeli conflict and throughout the Iran–Israel proxy conflict. He backed Netanyahu publicly, including his controversial 2015 Congress speech on Iran, and signed ads praising settlers who occupied Palestinian homes in Silwan, East Jerusalem - one of the most provocative settlement activities. He claimed Jerusalem "belongs to the Jewish people" and opposed territorial compromise there.[7][8][9][10][11] He also hosted direct talks to facilitate the Israeli–Palestinian peace process."

Indeed, history has taught us that, but unfortunately people forget.

Oh good Lord. I think Wiesel had bigger things on his mind than a bit of virtue signalling from people who couldn't find it in their hearts to support a Nova survivor.