How can anyone be proud to be anti Zionist

Lol thanks for this one Cross.

Gets upset about obscure punctuation mark used incorrectly in a non native language...

Then purposely spells Israel wrong in English.

Good one.

🤣

Well yes … and oblivious to the fact not everyone speaks Irish so will not understand that “Eire” means burden.

People determined to find offence wherever they can. Which is hard with the poster in question because she is always polite.

So a missing fada (another new word for me) becomes a stick to beat them with.

Anyway, the thread is about those who are proud to be anti Zionist not “Isreal” as @CrossChecking suggests.

I'm not getting heated. I'm just explaining why I didn't and won't give that poster the benefit of the doubt. She did it on purpose to rankle.

Anyway back to discussing Isreal....

You are missing the point. I find it hard to believe that the poster decided to refer to Ireland in Irish. Do you believe that she was just eager to use the Irish language and forgot the fada?

Instead the poster used a term that is fairly obsolete. A term that was mainly used by the British government pre 1948 to avoid referring to Ireland. Or used more recently by unionists politicians. They may not fully realise the history behind it; but they picked it up from somewhere and to me it neatly proves their colonial mindset.

oh no ... laughing alert! Don't you know that's a crime against humanity on this board 😉

😆👍🏼

I'd rather have a shouting match over orthography than a shooting match over theology.

Getting heated about a missing fada seems ludicrous in the current context. 🙄

The doubt left the building with some posters a long time ago. The poster only came back here when you said what's the big deal not when posters initially pointed out her faux pas, the poster hasn't apologised after being informed she used the wrong word, hasn't said she will use the correct term next time, nothing. People who genuinely use the wrong word for a country, especially when they get it so spectacularly wrong that they use the word 'burden' instead of Ireland usually come back and say oh my bad.

People have been called all manner of things here for having a typo in the word Israel but someone goes out of their way to use the wrong word for a country and it's a mistake? Nah not buying what they are selling.

Yes, it’s a perfectly normal word when speaking Irish @StandingSideBySide. Absolutely no issues there.
There’s a lot of historical baggage and resentment around its use in English, and for good reason, but most people in GB won’t realise that today. I think @Dagda was being sarcastic in her last post btw, but I also think she’s wrong about pp’s motivation here.

Agree
I prefer to think they meant no offence
because I prefer to assume
’innocent unless proven guilty’ …for want of a better term.

No
I questioned the response….if I knew I wouldn’t have wasted my time asking

My parents and all relatives spoke Irish so we have always used the Irish word
Perhaps those who never spoke Irish don’t, but my family have always mixed and matched both languages all over the place so may use either. It’s not something anyone ever got upset about ( and we are Catholic )

It’s an Irish word used by the ( or it seems some) Irish. Perhaps the English using it within the English language is whats unacceptable 🤷 and it seems from a Google this is the case.

Not sure the poster who started this has come back but agree it’s odd to switch words. I would, however, rather assume people are first and foremost kind and they meant no harm in it.

don’t get your point at all. Are you trying to prove that the poster replied to a post which mentioned Ireland with a misspelling of the Irish for Ireland? By accident of course. I’m sure no offence was intended.

I don't know what you are trying to say tbh. Everybody Irish knows that Éire with a fada is the Irish for Ireland. That when speaking as Gaeilge it is used. I've genuinely never met someone who uses Éire in everyday English conversation though eg there is a housing crisis in Éire, if your family do thats great but that isn't the norm at all and you know it, if you take part in any conversations outside of your family, listen to the tv/radio etc.

The poster replied to a post that mentioned Ireland but changed Ireland to Eire in her response back. It's odd behaviour to use an incorrect term to refer to a country, especially when replying to a post that used the correct term. Especially when you consider the history attached to Brits refusing to address Ireland by the correct name. It's not difficult to use the correct term, it was right there in front of her. Hopefully she has learnt something and will stick to using Ireland in future which when speaking as Béarla is the correct term rather than using burden.

Well you know now. Eire was often used by Unionist politicians in my life time but I haven’t heard it in years. The purpose was to offend.

You’re aligning yourself with DUP types by using it. Which might be ok with you. They are very supportive of Israel’s military actions in Gaza.

I wasn't particularly aiming my comment at you, you did help to explain things.

I appreciate that context is important however it can't be expected that non Irish people will necessarily understand the nuances so the pile on of a different poster (not by you) was rather unnecessary.

Was also unaware that the term "southern Ireland" could cause offence.

Every day is a school day! Thanks for explaining.

No, I know there was no intention to offend. Just trying to explain things.
The term isn’t used in Ireland(ROI), not when speaking English.
It’s written in the Irish language as well as the English language on the passport (as are the other terms) and the context makes all the difference. It’s the context that makes it not okay, as well as the misspelling.

I don’t think it’s okay to assume it’s not something that most Irish people wouldn’t notice or mind by the way. Mostly people know that the user means absolutely no offense and it’s taken like that, but that doesn’t mean it’s okay to use it once you know iyswim.

Southern Ireland, a term a pp also used, can cause offense too (another can of worms). Mostly because it’s simply not the country’s name, but there are also historical reasons.

Anyway, bit of a derail.

Speaking as a non Irish person I didn't even know Eire meant burden, should be spelt with an accent on the E or could be considered an offensive term.

If the word is used on an Irish passport though, it doesn't seem that it is seen as an offensive word by most Irish people.

If the accent changes the meaning, that could have been explained politely as I'm sure there was no intention to offend.

Unfortunately, though I’m sure well-intentioned, the use of Eire has quite the opposite effect. Eire was a term used by the British establishment when they refused to use the name Ireland (which is ROI’s official name, in English). That’s one of the reasons the use of Eire rankles. Also the fact that it’s spelt incorrectly as already explained.

Éire is usually used when you’re speaking in the Irish language. It’s not normally used in Ireland when speaking English.

The passport simply shows the name of the country in both languages.

When Ireland (ROI) gained independence, the establishment in the UK refused to used the chosen name and used Eire instead, so there is historical baggage associated with its use.
Also, as pp said, without the fada the word has is a different meaning (burden) as well as a different pronunciation.

Well I’m assuming most will have one of these so I’m all good

Good for you

Well I’m Irish and I use Eire with the accent as do my family but
I can’t get the accent on my devise though

What do you mean could change the meaning? They are two different words. Eire means burden. Why would you refer to Ireland as that? Who did you think you would be pleasing by doing that? Do you see Irish posters here referring to Ireland as Eire? Have you ever thought about why that might be or do you just think that you know the name of their country better than they do?

I thought it was a little derail by pp, though I note now that some people can take offence and others note that the lack of an accent on the capital E could change it's meaning.
I used it for the same reason that Ayers Rock = Uluru, Bombay = Mumbai, Peking = Beijing and Snowdonia = Eryri. You can't please everyone.