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WM police at fault for banning Israelis in Birmingham

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mids2019 · 25/11/2025 07:28

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze83gw4w2xo

This quite frankly stinks. It seems to me the police have succumbed to local anti Semitic politicians and a vocal Muslim majority in the local area of the stadium to ban Israeli fans with what looked like fabricated reasons.

A woman with long fair hair stands at the Commons despatch box with green benches behind her. She is wearing a black suit and top, and a gold necklace.

MPs want answers on 'exaggerated' Villa-Maccabi match intelligence

Ministers ask West Midlands Police for more details on Israeli fans' ban at the match on 6 November.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze83gw4w2xo

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mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 22:05

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Yes, blatant racism.

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mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 21:23

Look, even David Aaronovitch maintains GF was doing a stunt.

mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 21:22

"You are relying on falsehoods here. There is no evidence that anyone was carrying arms." @Aislyn

Circumstantial..... and plausible.
Gideon's "mate" who accompanied him.

www.linkedin.com/in/vicentiu-chiculita-68728a14b/?originalSubdomain=uk

Hmmm, I don't fancy my chances now that I've outed him.
This might be my last ever pos.......

Aislyn · 16/01/2026 21:09

mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 20:55

"You have a problem with a visibly Jewish man going for a walk?" @Aislyn

Yes, if he deliberately trying to rile a crowd, for the purposes of getting it on video. Especially when he is accompanied by someone trained in the use of force and who could well have been carrying arms.

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You are relying on falsehoods here. There is no evidence that anyone was carrying arms.

He was not trying to rile a crowd, he was going on a walk. If going on a walk as a minority 'riles a crowd', then the problem is the crowd, not the minority.

mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 21:03

If you really want to know why I described him as a "twerp", within this item is a transcript of his exchange with the police.
It makes one cringe.

news.sky.com/story/sky-news-footage-reveals-new-details-of-exchange-between-police-and-antisemitism-campaigner-called-openly-jewish-13120104?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 20:55

Aislyn · 16/01/2026 20:31

You have a problem with a visibly Jewish man going for a walk? You need to reflect on why that is, it is incredibly problematic.

I have met Gideon Falter and he is a kind, reasoned and highly intelligent man. Like anyone, he deserves the right to not have his movement curtailed because of his ethnicity.

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"You have a problem with a visibly Jewish man going for a walk?" @Aislyn

Yes, if he deliberately trying to rile a crowd, for the purposes of getting it on video. Especially when he is accompanied by someone trained in the use of force and who could well have been carrying arms.

Kingscallops · 16/01/2026 20:50

Aislyn · 16/01/2026 20:31

You have a problem with a visibly Jewish man going for a walk? You need to reflect on why that is, it is incredibly problematic.

I have met Gideon Falter and he is a kind, reasoned and highly intelligent man. Like anyone, he deserves the right to not have his movement curtailed because of his ethnicity.

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I'm chuckling at Gideon described as having a 'heavy'. He needs more than one .

Aislyn · 16/01/2026 20:31

mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 19:13

Right decision.
I live in Birmingham and I didn't want MTA thugs and antisemitic thugs causing mayhem. Police kept the peace, just like they did when Gideon Falter, his cameraman and his heavy tried to get in amongst the marchers to foment trouble.

You have a problem with a visibly Jewish man going for a walk? You need to reflect on why that is, it is incredibly problematic.

I have met Gideon Falter and he is a kind, reasoned and highly intelligent man. Like anyone, he deserves the right to not have his movement curtailed because of his ethnicity.

Kingscallops · 16/01/2026 19:51

TeenagersAngst · 16/01/2026 19:48

What has this got to do with the Maccabi decision? Unless you’re saying we must always ask Jews to change their behaviour to avoid upsetting other groups?

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Jews being held to a higher standard, as per. Never mind the intolerant thugs who are running the streets of Birmingham.

TeenagersAngst · 16/01/2026 19:48

mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 19:35

Did you not see the FULL video of his escapade, recorded over at least 30 minutes, where he tried repeatedly to get into the march? Recorded at a number of locations he attempted to persuade the police to get in amongst the marchers to provoke a reaction. They prevented him from doing so as they couldn't protect the little twerp. Having looked at the footage, the coppers did very well showing a great deal of patience. Again, what they were doing was keeping the peace..... their job.

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What has this got to do with the Maccabi decision? Unless you’re saying we must always ask Jews to change their behaviour to avoid upsetting other groups?

mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 19:35

Kingscallops · 16/01/2026 19:18

I wonder what particular problem you have with Gideon 🤔

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Did you not see the FULL video of his escapade, recorded over at least 30 minutes, where he tried repeatedly to get into the march? Recorded at a number of locations he attempted to persuade the police to get in amongst the marchers to provoke a reaction. They prevented him from doing so as they couldn't protect the little twerp. Having looked at the footage, the coppers did very well showing a great deal of patience. Again, what they were doing was keeping the peace..... their job.

Supersimkin7 · 16/01/2026 19:20

We live in a multicultural society, so stop making trouble, boys in blue.

Your job is to protect people, not ban Jews.

Kingscallops · 16/01/2026 19:19

mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 19:18

I know, not only is the crap piling up high on mumsnet, it's also on the streets !
But thank you for your sympathy. @Kingscallops

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Well that crap adds on top of the crap Jewish residents in Brum have to put up with.

TeenagersAngst · 16/01/2026 19:19

mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 19:13

Right decision.
I live in Birmingham and I didn't want MTA thugs and antisemitic thugs causing mayhem. Police kept the peace, just like they did when Gideon Falter, his cameraman and his heavy tried to get in amongst the marchers to foment trouble.

You are just not seeing this for what it is. Local Muslims threatened to attack Jewish football fans if they visited their enclave of Birmingham so the police said “ok, nice local Muslim leaders, we’ll give you what you want and pretend it’s the nasty Jews who are the problem.”

I guess they just never imagined Parliament would be interested in knowing the truth.

As someone on another thread said, imagine if the roles were changed with black people in place of the Maccabi fans and Tommy Robinson’s gang in place of the Muslim locals.

Oh my lord.

Kingscallops · 16/01/2026 19:18

mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 19:13

Right decision.
I live in Birmingham and I didn't want MTA thugs and antisemitic thugs causing mayhem. Police kept the peace, just like they did when Gideon Falter, his cameraman and his heavy tried to get in amongst the marchers to foment trouble.

I wonder what particular problem you have with Gideon 🤔

mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 19:18

Kingscallops · 16/01/2026 19:15

You live in Birmingham? Those footy thugs are the least of your problems 😆 🤣 😂

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I know, not only is the crap piling up high on mumsnet, it's also on the streets !
But thank you for your sympathy. @Kingscallops

TeenagersAngst · 16/01/2026 19:16

mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 19:15

For all those who questioned the decision, did you really want to see two groups, who were spoiling for a fight, try to kick the crap out of one another ?

Did you mind when the Young Boys visited town soon after?

Kingscallops · 16/01/2026 19:15

mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 19:13

Right decision.
I live in Birmingham and I didn't want MTA thugs and antisemitic thugs causing mayhem. Police kept the peace, just like they did when Gideon Falter, his cameraman and his heavy tried to get in amongst the marchers to foment trouble.

You live in Birmingham? Those footy thugs are the least of your problems 😆 🤣 😂

mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 19:15

For all those who questioned the decision, did you really want to see two groups, who were spoiling for a fight, try to kick the crap out of one another ?

mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 19:13

Right decision.
I live in Birmingham and I didn't want MTA thugs and antisemitic thugs causing mayhem. Police kept the peace, just like they did when Gideon Falter, his cameraman and his heavy tried to get in amongst the marchers to foment trouble.

TeenagersAngst · 16/01/2026 18:53

No @mouthpipetteyou were wrong in November when you congratulated WM Police for not ‘bowing to political pressure’ and you’re wrong now. The phrase ‘read the room’ springs to mind.

SharonEllis · 16/01/2026 18:52

mouthpipette · 16/01/2026 18:42

I think we can all agree that banning the fans was the right decision, but that the mendacity and naivety employed to reach it, was shameful.

No, we are certainly not agreed!