When will it be time for the BBC news to take down the 'war on gaza' tab?

Ok. So you tell me the war where no atrocities were commited then? Like I asked before, where the GC was adhered to.

Which war / conflict?

No we don’t all commit atrocities nor do we have to, nor is there ever an excuse to, the focus of this thread is Gaza/Israel so comments here relate to that, it is a presumption that posters do not care about other violations of International Law. Israel’s breaches are long running and both historic and current and have been enabled by Western governments so naturally concern their citizens, no anti semitism is required to care

We could ask you the same of Hamas crimes though couldnt we?
The truth is you see Hamas' crimes within a wider context and you fit that into your narrative.
I see Israel's crimes and fit it into my wider narrative.
We'd all like no crimes to happen in the first place. But that isnt the world we live in, and it isnt the species that we are.

Israelis, Palestinians, British, American, Sudanese etc. We all commit atrocities. Some of us of all races are violent criminals.
Some of us on here wonder about the constant focus on one set of atrocities.
Its your right to focus on one set, and its our right to question why that intense focus on one set.

Thats what the thread is about.

But that does not explain the selective blindness of posters to Israel’s crimes?

They only accuse people of antisemitism when the criticism of or focus on Israel is antisemitic. . Its really not complicated. I do recommend spending some time understanding the livingstone formulation and other writers explain ing this. Try David Rich and David Hirsh for easy explainers.

But @SharonEllis why are people continually excusing Israel then? Or accusing people of anti semitism if they do raise criticism?

I don't think many people think that in the world or here. Certainly none of the regular MN posters.

No I do not wish to see military intervention, I simply wish for Israel to stop killing innocent civilians, and refrain from any further breaches of International Law. I would also like the sanctions placed on ICJ judges lifted and also those on UN rapporteurs as they should not be hindered in their work. I would like the Red Cross to have access to all prisoners as it should under the Geneva Convention.

not a lot to ask and would ask it of any nation

It was asking myself this question about 20 years ago that was the turning point for me. Once you answer it objectively an awful lot falls into place

Of course Israel shouldn't be treated any different to any other nation. Because they are not different to any other nation unless you're a racist.

But its disingenuous to suggest they are carrying out this war without scrutiny or sanction. A few members of the Knesset have been sanctioned. BN has an arrest warrant out against him from the ICC. Some nations have paused or restricted some arms sales. There's unprecedented media scrutiny ( the point of this thread ) and a case has been bought to the ICJ by South Africa accusing Israel of genocide. Theres plenty of scrutiny and sanction.

There hasn't been any military intervention to stop Israel- is that what you'd like to see happen?

I would like people to deeply question why they feel Israel should uniquely be allowed to carry out war crimes without scrutiny or sanction?
Is their lack of care for Palestinians based in anti Muslim bias?

No, I think theres lots of reasons which I've spoken about a lot on here, personal links to either side, interest in the history of the region, white colonial guilt, sheer exposure to repeated stories and images. I do think some of the interest is down to antisemitism but weirdly no one ever admits to this. Its always someone else who's the racist.

I would just like to see people deeply questioning WHY their own unique, emotional focus on this one conflict, when in fact there is nothing unique about what humans are doing to each other here.

Do you think the ONLY reason people in the UK are more invested in this conflict is down to anti-semitism?

No @dairydebris I have never said that there were not breaches of the Geneva Convention in other conflicts. However for example if we take the current conflict in Ukraine Russia has rightfully been denounced for its breaches, subjected to sanctions etc, I agree with this. It does not make me antisemitic if I feel that Israel should be subject to similar sanctions for breaches of the Geneva Convention and war crimes

Depends what you mean by “concern”.

My opinion is that people going on about these terrorists are more motivated by another reason to criticise Isreal than any real concern for the two individuals.

Opinions can be wrong of course so 🤷🏼‍♀️

I agree, although personally I'm ok with the tab. People are clearly very interested in this particular conflict. I would just like to see people deeply questioning WHY their own unique, emotional focus on this one conflict, when in fact there is nothing unique about what humans are doing to each other here.

Which is the pont a lot of people are avoiding and the issue with the special tab. It says Israel/Gaza is uniquely awful, or uniquely important. In fact allows people to bypass other world news and go straight to this subject, further perpetuating the cycle.

Was the Geneva Convention adhered to during-

The Russian Invasion of Ukraine?
The Burmese / Rohingya conflict?
The war on Isis? The invasion of Iraq?
Rwanda?
Bosnia / Srebrenica / Kosovo?
Sudan?
Yemen?

In fact, can you name me a single conflict since 1977 where the Geneva Convention was adhered to?

Ideally every conflict would follow these guidelines but thats not the species we are. Its the species we wish we are. Its the species we aim to be.

Making out this conflict is uniquely awful because Israel is uniquely awful is not factual and is veering into antisemitism.

I agree OP.
It is horrible to think of certain wars being more fashionable causes to the media (mainstream and social) than others but I think this is the case here.

´There’s a market for reading about it’
Well at least we agree that concerns about Israeli actions are not restricted to a few random people on this forum then.

You may not be, but there are people who are appalled when two people are lying prone on the floor in an attempt to surrender are needlessly shot. It is something we don’t expect from our soldiers.

Surely the point of keeping the spotlight on Gaza is to push for a form of resolution?

There will be no repercussions for the IDF killing them and no sanctions against Israel.

But isn’t that part of the problem? Isn’t that precisely why it should be reported on?

The media report on anything anti Israel because there’s a market for reading about it. When I say “not many people are concerned about 2 more terrorists being killed” I mean no one in the international community seems too worried about those terrorists as people. There will be no repercussions for the IDF killing them and no sanctions against Israel. They are only reported on because they represent another thing to blame Israel for and these men as “victims” of the IDF will be forgotten about as soon as the next story appears.

They should take it down when Israel stops slaughtering people in Gaza. 😡

Assume they are talking about Your Party ( because that’s what they said not just “party”) - the political party run by Corbyn & Sultana.

Maybe