Reconstruction of Gaza - realistic?

Wouldn’t you consider the behaviour of the oppressors highlighted by Koalakoko as ‘barbarous’? @SharonEllis

Over 70% of Gazans are now living under bits of cloth as the rain comes and winter looms. Alongside the evacuation of the illegal settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, the conversation about rebuilding Gaza for the Gazans should realistically start with the provision of adequate shelter immediately. That would be a step towards reparation.

Who will do this?

Putting aside the veracity of your claims Men abuse their power in every society we know of. That is a different point to justifying Hamas's barbarous behaviour as the oppressed rising up against the oppressor.

Really, Israeli prison guards have been raping inmates to death with objects, that is pretty horrific. Bodies that have been returned are mutilated and show signs of torture. People who have been released from Israeli prisons have had limbs amputated and have lost their sight due to torture. A huge number of these people were never charged with any crime.

In 1948, when this whole saga properly started, Israeli soldiers slaughtered and raped the people of Tantura. In the documentary Tantura, retured Israeli soldiers talked about their fellow soldiers chasing innocent people with flame throwers and incinerating them, raping a teenage girl and murdering her uncle who objected, detaining villagers in a room and then throwing a hand grenande into the room, lining up people and shooting them. But of course it all started on October 7 and Israeli’s have never done anything as bad as Hamas.

Really? Plenty of people are oppressed horifically and don't resort to the sort of thing Hamas did on 7th October.

@Twiglets1You say nobody sane starts a war with a far more powerful foe and you are probably right. But history shows us that if you opress a group of people for long enough then they will resort to desperate tactics and behaviours which may be far from sane and far from moral.

Indeed I wish Hamas wouldn't slaughter Palestinians under the comment of 'they're collaborators etc'. Hamas seem to feel that is a free pass to slaughter fellow Palestinians and their supporters don't question it.

Indeed. There is colossal weath in the middle east yet small appetite to help their Muslim neighbour.

Agree. So many people will say they don’t support Hamas & yet they don’t seem to hold them at all accountable for their actions.

Even financially it’s like Hamas doesn’t exist when people are considering the question of who should pay to rebuild Gaza.

Logical me says that let's terrorists off. They do their thing and renew a conflict then others pay.

How about seizing the huge wealth stolen by Hamas leaders and taken to Qatar amongst other countries and use it for the better of Gazans in Gaza.

I agree that Gaza has been obliterated by the IDF.

I’m not saying that Palestinian civilians asked for that but Hamas did ask for war and they got it. Once you start a war you can’t control how violently the other side will react which is why no one sane starts wars with sides they know to be so much stronger militarily. Maybe Hamas thought like-minded countries would help them to destroy the IDF, but they didn’t. Then they had the option to surrender which they chose not to take. So that’s two ways in which Hamas chose the obliteration of Gaza.

Re the West Bank I don’t agree with illegal settlers so I would like to see Israel evacuate them but I think we can agree that is unlikely to happen.

Israel has obliterated Gaza and committed a genocide on its people. Are you trying to say that the Palestinians asked for that? That this is an ‘obvious’ consequence of ‘picking a fight’ with a bully?

A more realistic starting point for Israel to begin would be the West Bank and East Jerusalem. It should immediately evacuate all of its illegal settlers and pay reparation to the Palestinians for damages caused by the occupation, as advised by the ICC.

Is that going to happen?

This is wxactly why speculation about rebuilding feels so inappropriate. The destruction is ongoing.

Fair point. Although they’ve been silent on this I assume

Gazans go about establishing legal ownership of land or whether they need to buy it again.

My god, let’s hope that doesn’t happen! Imagine being bombed out of your home then having to pay to get it back!

Studies suggest that Hamas did not spend Aid money (except probably from Qatar) on arms - they spent it on a functioning education and health system, universities etc. Arms and military infrastructure was paid for from their financial empire, which included huge investments in bitcoin etc. There has still been very limited efforts Internationally to track down and break up this networks of investments - it has been suggested in many circles that this may have been far more effective than bombing civilians.

I was thinking of Iran as an example of a country that might take Hamas seeing as they support them.

Do you mean on SM or in reality?

I think people post stuff but no one would want them close by.

Unless I’m missing some actual takers

They do have some supporters 🤷🏼‍♀️

I’m not sure how it will be. No one will want to be around them and take the risk.

I don’t think so.

Of course it will be reconstructed at some point. But the tunnels that Hamas hide in need to be destroyed first & of course Hamas need to disarm to move towards phase two.

Has the issue of what to do with Hamas been resolved?

Yes and they are still killing civilians too.

There is very little chance of Gaza being reconstructed. Not least because Israel is still demolishing it. Only now they are using explosives and bulldozers rather than air strikes.
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