Reconstruction of Gaza - realistic?

If I were living in Gaza and particularly if I had children there, I would be happy if a “friendly” Muslim country gave me the opportunity to relocate there while Gaza was being rebuilt, as long as there were legal assurances that we could return in future. Somewhere like Egypt for example.

People parroting “ethnic cleansing” are not showing empathy for the horrific conditions the Gazans are living in especially now it’s winter. Westerners deciding on behalf of Gazans that they shouldn’t move away from Gaza temporarily - it’s strange to me that you want them to continue living in abject poverty. I would like to see them offered the choice to relocate if they want to, with full rights to return when they want to. But I don’t see any countries offering to take Gazan refugees, apart from a tiny number of children & their families with medical conditions.

The solution cannot be that Israel bombs Gaza into oblivion then moves the population out because it’s unliveable. That is ethnic cleansing.

And the long term plan is what? To move them back in eventually? If you were Palestinian would you honestly trust that Israel and the USA would let you back in? After what happened to the 48 refugees?

This can’t be the answer.

But you expressed an opinion that they should take responsibility and I’m asking you in which way you think they should.

That's up to them isn't it?

The middle Eastern countries need to take responsibility for the Palestinans.
In what way should they take responsibility for them?
In terms of accepting them being repatriated from Palestine or in terms of rebuilding Gaza?

Its not insulting. Its just a fact. It Israel disarmed it would be overrun by people who wish to destroy it. The biggest threat to Palestinians in Gaza was Hamas, as demonstrated by the way they oppressed their own citizens for 20 years and then launched the 7 October attacks. Israel already is an independent democratic inclusive state. Under whose authority would the international community take it over? I can't see any basis in law or precedent that would make that acceptable. The middle Eastern countries need to take responsibility for the Palestinans. I wonder why they don't want to?

Again, what a hideously insulting thing to say. You don’t know me or my history with Jews or Israel. You are accusing me of anti-semitism and that is seriously offensive.

I believe that just as Israel has a right to exist in safety, so does Palestine and right now their biggest threat to Palestinians is Israel.

It is in my opinion the job of the international community to ensure the safety of both sovereign states or to oversee the transition from an apartheid state to an inclusive and democratic one.

It has happened before in other places and I hope that it can happen in Israel and Palestine. Peace for everyone, not just one side.

It’s very threatening to imply someone is breaking the law.

Saying “brutality begets brutality” is not legitimising the brutality, it is stating a sad fact of life.

As I said before I am not in a position to threaten anyone - what could I do to you? I don't even know who you are! 'Brutality begets brutality' is making excuses for Hamas though, even if you say you don't support them. There is no way anyone could think that 7 October was legitimate resistance. That's all that needs to be said. Once you start legitimating Hamas's behaviour you are on the road to legitimating Hamas itself.

If you are calling for the disarming of Israel you are basically resigning yourself to the destruction of Israel and the majority of the Jews in the world. Its quite extraordinary to think that is ok.

I literally said in my post that I don’t condone Oct 7th. Of course it was horrific! Civilians are civilians and should not be targeted. This is the first rule of anything.
What I’m saying is brutality is a cycle of violence and the two sides will never see eye to eye without the international community stepping in and reaching a fair solution.

I think a fair solution is either a two state solution or one state that is democratic for all.

I think it’s so disturbing that despite me literally saying I don’t support October 7th you went on to imply that I did.

You shouldn’t throw false accusations about.

I think the instigators of Oct 7th should be trialled for war crimes as should members of the Israeli government and military who have called for ethnic cleansing and targeted civilians.

I think both sides should disarm through a phrased process and I think that the international community should ensure that a Palestinian state is adhered to.

How dare you suggest that I support Hamas!

I specifically said I didn’t support Oct 7th.

I don’t support the kidnapping or torture or mistreatment of civilians! Which is precisely why I don’t support either the IDF or Hamas. I think you should retract your post. It sounds threatening and it’s really not on.

I may have missed a post supporting what Hamas did on October 7th, I haven’t read every single post, but I would be surprised if someone has posted that. Were you referring to such a post? But generally supporting Palestinian resistance is certainly not illegal.

The question put to you @SharonEllis was regarding Israel’s continuous breaches of International Law?

Not, presumably in the Barbarous manner that Hamas did on 7 October, surely? I thought we were all agreed that 7 October was reprehensible? It was also very much against international law.

Posters are allowed to suggest that Palestinians might well want to resist Israeli control and aggression, without you insinuating those posters are breaking the law.

I think that’s an interesting question @Everexpanding.

Would you like to let Israel carry on breaching international law @SharonEllis?

Not sure what sort of threat I'm in a position to make, so no. I don't know how I would shut people up on here, and I'm not sure people in this discussion board have any power over Israel either way.

No need to make it personal @Everexpanding

Just because someone holds different opinions to yourself on certain issues that doesn’t mean they want others to shut up. That came into your mind & has never been implied by @SharonEllis that they want others to shut up.

Wow is that meant to be some sort of threat ? Quite possible for someone to think or even say that Hamas developed as a result of Israeli oppression without actively supporting their actions, very different to identify the causes of something without necessarily supporting the outcome.
or would you just like everyone to shut up and let Israel carry on breaching international law?

What do you think should happen to Hamas now?

Just a reminder that supporting Hamas is illegal in this country. Just in case you're suggesting that 7 October was legitimate resistance.
The Palestinians in Gaza certainly were oppressed by Hamas and yet whenever resistance to Hamas is suggested on this board its met with derision. Go figure.

It sounds like you’re saying oppressed people should just suck it up. And no I’m not condoning Oct 7th, before you start, I’m saying brutality begets brutality.
At least you’re admitting Palestinians are oppressed. I guess that’s something!