Breaking Ranks: Inside Israel’s War,

Don’t be ridiculous, you are quoting the attempt to forcibly displace Palestinians to a third country. That has nothing to do with allowing civilians to flee to safety outside a territory being invaded. Iraq wasn’t talking to Turkey and demanding they take all civilians from Mosul and refusing to let any flee ISIS and stay within Iraq. 🤨

Palestinians in Gaza should have been allowed to flee from Gaza into Israel or the West Bank.

and to be clear, I’m not “asserting” anything. I am factually reporting on what IDF soldiers who fought in Gaza have stated that their orders were shoot to kill anyone.
https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/inside/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/PerimeterEnglish-2.pdf

Here is the link again since you have neglected to read it the first time.

I think Netanyahu would disagree with your assertion that Israel wouldn’t let Gazans leave.

From Oct 2023:

Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu sought to convince European leaders to put pressure on Egypt into accepting refugees from Gaza, according to people briefed on the discussions. The idea, which he put forward in meetings with European officials last week, was floated by countries including the Czech Republic and Austria in private discussions that led up to a summit of EU leaders on Thursday and Friday, those people told the Financial Times.
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However, key European countries, notably France, Germany and the UK, have dismissed the proposal as unrealistic, pointing to Egyptian officials’ consistent resistance to the idea of accepting refugees from Gaza, even on a temporary basis.
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Cairo has vociferously expressed its concerns that Israel would seek to use the crisis to force its problems with the Palestinians on to Egypt. President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi said this month that his country rejected “any attempt to liquidate the Palestinian issue by military means or through the forced displacement of Palestinians from their land, which would come at the expense of the countries of the region”. Egypt’s potential role was discussed in the EU summit, people briefed on the leaders’ discussions told the FT. But leaders ultimately agreed that Egypt should play a role in providing broad humanitarian assistance to Gaza, but not be pressured to accept refugees.
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“Netanyahu pushed quite hard that the solution was for Egyptians to take Gazans at least during the conflict,” said a western diplomat. “But we didn’t take it very seriously because the Egyptian position is and has always been very clear and they just won’t do it.”

https://www.ft.com/content/75971d8b-e2fd-4275-8747-0bd443673483

More recently:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-accuses-egypt-of-imprisoning-gazans-against-their-will-in-growing-war-of-words/

For anyone who truly supports innocent Palestinians and children, this should be the scandal of the century.

Suggest you read the ICRC casebook on ISIS use of civilians as human shields:
https://casebook.icrc.org/case-study/iraq-battle-mosul

In this they were equally despicable as Hamas.

But unlike the IDF, the coalition forces allowed civilians that got away from ISIS to flee and be taken care of by the UN’s humanitarian operations in refugee camps well away from Mosul.

It is just not true that Hamas was unprecedented as a type of threat or urban warfare.

My link is also a UN link.

They were not allowed to flee by ISIS.

your link only proves my point that if civilians get out of ISIS control, they’d be treated as refugees by the coalition army.

So yes the difference is not in ISIS vs Hamas, but the armies that fought them.

Well according to the UN they were.

www.un.org/en/academic-impact/scale-civilians-fleeing-iraqs-mosul-staggering-%E2%80%93-senior-un-relief-official

Why weren’t they able to flee Gaza? Why were safe routes not set up to allow refugees to cross into a friendly neighbouring country?

Because BOTH Hamas and the IDF did not allow civilians to flee.

In the war with ISIS, only ISIS didn’t allow civilians to flee.

If a civilian got away from ISIS and approached coalition forces, they were assisted as refugees.

In Gaza, the IDF set up invisible kill lines and the orders were to kill on sight any civilian attempting to flee Gaza. See the Breaking the Silence report “The Perimeter” which includes the testimony of IDF soldiers on this fact
https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/inside/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Perimeter_English-2.pdf

They even (unintentionally) killed escaped Israeli hostages trying to flee Gaza when there was no active battle happening which goes to show how conditioned the troops had been to not allow civilians to flee.

So yes, there are differences and some of these differences are why far too many civilians were killed.

Incorrect, civilians were not allowed to flee Mosul. ISIS even went so far as to kidnap extra civilians from the suburbs and outlying villages so that they had 1.5 million human shields trapped with them.

“GENEVA (28 October 2016) – Credible reports suggest that ISIL has been forcing tens of thousands of people from their homes in sub-districts around Mosul and has been forcibly relocating civilians inside the city itself since operations began on 17 October to restore Iraqi Government control over Mosul.
ISIL fighters are allegedly killing civilians who refuse to comply with ISIL’s instructions or who previously belonged to the Iraqi Security Forces, including 232 civilians who were reportedly shot to death last Wednesday.
At least 5,370 families were abducted by ISIL from Shura sub-district, another 160 families from al-Qayyarah sub-district, 150 families from Hamam al-Alil sub-district and 2,210 families from Nimrud sub-district of al-Hamdaniya district, reports indicate.
Forced out at gunpoint, or killed if they resist or try to flee, these people are reportedly being moved to strategic ISIL locations.
Information received indicates that 60,000 persons are currently residing in Hamam al-Alil, an ISIL stronghold with a previous population of 23,000.
“ISIL’s depraved, cowardly strategy is to attempt to use the presence of civilians to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations, effectively using tens of thousands of women, men and children as human shields,” Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights said. The use of human shields is prohibited under international humanitarian law, and constitutes a violation of the right not to be arbitrarily deprived of life.
Of the 232 civilians reportedly shot to death on Wednesday, reports indicate that 190 were former ISF personnel who were killed at the al-Ghazlani military base in Mosul. It appears that a day earlier many of these men and their families had been forced by ISIL from Shura and al-Qayyarah sub-districts, and were initially taken to Hamam al-Alil, where the men were separated from the women and children. The other 42 civilians were reportedly shot in the head at the al-Izza military base after they refused to join ISIL. Another 24 former ISF officers were reportedly killed on 25 October.”

more at
https://www.ohchr.org/en/2016/10/battle-mosul-isil-forces-thousands-civilians-their-homes-and-executes-hundreds

There are quite a few glaring differences in the Battle of Mosul and the war in Gaza. One of the main ones are that civilians were able to flee the fighting in Mosul.

Why weren’t they able to flee Gaza? Why were safe routes not set up to allow refugees to cross into a friendly neighbouring country?

It begins with E btw.

This article explains the unprecedented nature of the war in Gaza including Hamas’s goal which was not to actually win the battle on the ground.

www.newsweek.com/memo-experts-stop-comparing-israels-war-gaza-anything-it-has-no-precedent-opinion-1868891

The multiple nations that defeated ISIS who used civilians as human shields by kidnapping them from villages and forcing them into urban cities.

“The global coalition's War against the Islamic State, from 2014, had led to as many as 50,000 ISIL combatant casualties by the end of 2016.[86] Airwars calculated that 8,200–13,275 civilians were killed in Coalition airstrikes, mainly up to the end of 2017, with especially high casualty rates during the Battle of Mosul.[87] An Associated Press investigation found that in the Battle of Mosul, of the >9,000 fatalities, between 42% and 60% were civilians.[88]”

I certainly do condemn the Palestinian terrorist ideology and cause that has led to the killings of innocent civilians before and during this war.

The IDF should absolutely be criticised and soldiers face prosecution when they have deliberately broken the law, as should any other Army and soldier.

The thing is though I’ve seen footage of what the Palestinians do to soldiers they’ve killed. Decapitating heads and desecrating/lynching and tearing apart slaughtered bodies spring to mind. Young men barely out of their teens forced to fight for their citizens lives against depraved terrorists.

I’m not sure why Israelis are expected to take the higher ground in terms of basic human nature of fear for their lives and what they know will happen to them if they are caught so I can fully understand mistakes being made in the extreme high stress environment of an urban war zone, with the savages they are up against having absolutely no rules of engagement, leading to bad decisions.

Despite what they are portrayed as on here, the IDF are mainly young men and women fighting in very traumatic circumstances. Just humans not robotic monsters.

Being honest, it’s difficult to care about people who celebrated the atrocities of Oct 7th perpetrated in their name, the dead civilians dragged through the streets, keeping hostages in their homes, knowing full well it would result in the mass bloodshed of their own people, including their children because they knew they had no protection from the war that was coming. How fucked up is that? I really can’t relate to that mindset TBH.

Of course the children are the innocent victims in this, including the children brainwashed to glorify evil terrorists, and the child soldiers trained to want to kill a people they’ve probably never even had first hand experience of.

There’s a big difference in psychology between being trained for defence and offence IMO.

Interesting those defending the IDF cannot answer if they have watched the documentary or not

Its the same questions over and again from this poster. Hopefully I've freed up some time for them 😇

It's ok. I'm a mum, I can recognise attempts at emotional manipulation.

I particularly enjoyed the question wording so if I say no ( I do care) it sounds like the opposite sentiment. Cunning linguistics indeed.

Prince Harry doesn't represent any man in the British army. He is a prince so hardly typical.

Now you're not going to like this but, to me, the audio does sound authentic. There is something about the voice that implies his adrenalin levels are through the roof. I think that would be hard to fake but as I'm not in the fakery business, I don't know. But I will post this quote. "Major international news outlets, including those reporting on the story, generally followed a cautious approach. Many reported the contents of the tape and its release by the IDF but usually added a disclaimer that they could not independently verify the audio's authenticity or the identity of the speakers". "For verification, analysts would need access to the original file, metadata, and voice samples of the alleged speaker, information the IDF would not typically release to the public or independent media". As I said though, the manic nature of the voice does imply to me, personally, that it is genuine. Your question though is he typical of every Gazan, which is what I assume you meant by represent. I would say before the war, no, but now, I'm not sure.

Ok hands up. Youve got us.

Theres nothing us pro Israelis enjoy more than waking up to read about innocent civilians, in particular children, dying in awful ways. Really makes our day over cornflakes, especially as we cuddle our own dear ones.

And of course absolutely every IDF soldier is an absolute angel who has never, ever given into any bestial animal urges that sadly characterize literally every war humans have ever waged upon each other. This is obviously because Israelis are uniquely good above all other races upon on earth. War crimes have been commited by every army on earth other than Israel's.

No. We don't care. We dont give a shit about human rights or the rule of law or even the Geneva Convention. The only thing that motivates us is constant prostration of our minds to the great and powerful Israel.

Will that do?

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What they’re trying to do is exclusively portray the IDF, the predominantly Jewish Army, as an extraordinary force of evil (because Jews) rather than a regular army manned by regular humans - some bad, some not playing by the rules, some not following orders, as happens in every Army in the world.

Further complicated by their enemy forces, who are seen as the poor victims, being neighbours with a clear cause/Charter to want to kill the Jews as a whole and destroy their country, the levels of barbarity displayed on Oct 7th and in their previous long history of terrorist attacks which those they attacked aren’t supposed to be affected by at all, and their immunity of being expected to play by the rules of engagement themselves because terrorists innit, although the world believes everything they say and is negotiating with them, but they are not responsible for anything at all!

It’s an unprecedented position for an Army to be in and also globally scapegoated for, and absolutely nuts IMO.

https://archive.nytimes.com/thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/22/prince-harry-compares-war-to-playstation-and-taliban-is-not-amused/

Does prince harry represent every man serving in the British army?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-publishes-audio-of-hamas-terrorist-calling-family-to-brag-of-killing-jews/

Does this 'man' represent every Gazan?

None so blind as them that will not see.

Did you watch the programme?

Yeah, such an elaboratation when someone describes themselves as being half dressed scratching their balls and killing people dairy.

Honestly this place. Even when Israelis tell us themselves what it is they are doing people still can't find it within themselves to acknowledge that it is rotten. What exactly do they think will happen if they acknowledge it? These people think that the BBC is worthy of more outrage than actual killers, it would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. That's why I don't believe for a second that the BBC outrage is real, they can excuse cold blooded killers but writing about them is a step too far and elicits howls of outrage? Pathetic and transparent.

A soldier explains how she was in a room watching a drone operator follow a man for half an hour, it was clear that he was an unarmed civilian just going about his day so the drone operator gets bored and says to his commander that he could just find a reason and he gets the go ahead to shoot the guy for no reason and they all watch him on a screen getting murdered, because someone playing a “video game” got bored.