Israel calling Francesca Albanese a witch!?

This is the ‘spell’ to which DD was referring:

Gaza Genocide: A Collective Crime

Albanese’s report is merely a presentation of facts. Thank goodness someone has the tenacity, courage and eloquence to do this.

The truth hurts.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/fancesca-albanese-press-release-28oct25/

ok... they should have waiting a bit longer to see if the story began to be posted in more reputable sources, which it did.

But still ... no one was still questioning the story once it began being reported in slightly less biased sources so there was no need for you to act as though it was still being questioned at the point you posted.

Really? This reaction is just a few posts into the thread.

Not one person has denied he called Albanese a witch.

Pro Israel supporters tend to stick to facts. It’s those that dislike Israel that use hyperbole to inflame tensions further.

I would say the problem on MN discussions is more people making shit up & repeating it over and over again.

So yes, he really did call Albanese a witch and the deniers are still here circumventing a thread with the same old circuitous it was Hamas, she’s anti semitic blah. None of it washes. Here is a female academic with an extensive report ‘biased’ because it exposes war crimes and she won’t be silenced. She’s called a witch because that is the only space imaginable in his head. That is pathetic.

I would say the problem on MN discussions is more people making shit up & repeating it over and over again.

So let me correct some misinformation from your post: pro Israel supporters on MN do not blame Palestinian civilians, we blame Hamas & their supporters. The majority view is sympathetic to Palestinian civilians, so we obviously don't equate being Palestinian with being a terrorist or terrorist supporter.

There are unfortunately some Palestinians who do support Hamas, but pointing out that basic fact doesn't mean we think they are all terrorists/supporters.

The problem is there are posters on here who think those thousands and thousands of deaths were justified “because Hamas..”. I mean it beggars belief that people will try and justify it, or blame the Palestinian civilians even, because they equate being Palestinian with being a terrorist or a terrorist supporter. So they literally can’t understand the outrage. It blows my mind.

Exactly ... sounds like nit picking to me.

They may mean different things legally but in people's hearts, is there much of a distinction between things that seem "justified" to them and those that are "legitimate"? I don't think so.

I think I'll leave you to dance on the pinhead of your chosing.

Violent resistance to occupation is legitimate under the Geneva Convention but the legitimacy is a grey area as the rules of war should be followed. In my opinion, Hamas violated those rules on October 7 and so I do not feel it was legitimate. As to whether it was understandable, that is a matter of personal opinion. As Guterres said, October 7th did not happen in a vacuum. I will therefore clarify once more. Saying something is understandable does not mean it is legitimate.

Loads of people would argue that in that circumstance the 'understandable' action that person took should be considered mitigation. That is a very common thought process people go through and the legal system makes provision for it too.

Netanyahu wanted Hamas in power in Gaza to cause division with the Palestinian authority in the West Bank so there could not be enough unity to create a Palestinian State.

Perhaps look in the dictionary for the definition of those words. If a person takes the law into his own hands to avenge a crime committed against his family, it is understandable but it is certainly not legitimate.

Exactly.

Of course saying something is understandable confers an element if legitimacy to it. I understand the circumstances of the people in gaza. I do not believe 7 October was 'understandable' because of it. 7 October is only 'understandable' if you recognise Hamas's death cult ideology with destruction of Israel and Jewish people at the heart of it. So 7 october was legitimate to those that hold that world view.

I think it's nit picking to suggest there's a big difference between "legitimate violence" and violence that is "understandable".

If you can understand the "violent resistance" then if you're being honest, you probably do consider it a legitimate response.

Trying to live in peace is hard when you don’t know if your child will be shot tomorrow or your home taken off you

it’s not an environment when love and peace can thrive

You said people in the West Bank had tried to live in peace and get on with their lives.

Now you're admitting that's not the case but you're calling it legitimate resistance.

That is a view and you're entitled to it. But lets accept the fact that your original point is just not true.

What part of if you oppress an entire population into being 3rd class citizens with no rights, you are going to get resistance, and yes that resistance will often be violent, did you not get. It's not a unique trait to Israel. It's how the US got it's independence from Britain and ironically, it is how Israel itself got rid of the British. Perhaps I should have said 'some' of the people in the West Bank are just trying to get on with their lives like the old lady who was almost beaten to death while picking olives. You may condemn the illegal settlements and settler violence but the IDF and Israeli governments don't. They protect them. As far as Israel ceding land is concerned. Let's look at some facts. Menachim Begin, back in the 70's, started espousing the concept of Greater Israel, a concept that successive Israeli Prime Ministers have supported. In other words more land, not less. The closest we came to a two state solution was after the Oslo accords even though there was no promise of a two state solution in the accords, just a promise that Israel would consider it. How did that work out. Rabin assassinated. Arafat allegedly assassinated and Clinton almost kicked out of office after possibly being caught in a honeytrap. To the present and Netanyahu has openly declared that there will never be a two state solution. I suppose a new Prime Minister with a different attitude may be able to revive the idea but I wouldn't rate his chances of surviving any longer than Rabin did.

You don't know that Israel will never cede land for a two state solution. In what sense have the West Bank Palestinians tried to live in peace and get on with their lives? That is just fantasy. Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Hamas and other terrorist groups are all active in the West Bank. Their aim is to destroy Israel. A great deal of the terrorism against Israeli citizens originates in the West Bank. That is hundreds of stabbings, fire bombs, bombs etc against Israeli civilians going back decades. Going further back, the PLO was founded in the 60s with the intention of destroying Israel. They would tell you they were not trying to just get on with their lives but had a strategy to destroy Israel. And everyone on MN that I've come across condemns the illegal settlements and settler violence too.