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Israel calling Francesca Albanese a witch!?

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Everexpanding · 29/10/2025 16:17

I understand anti semite was losing its power to silence but now Israel is calling Francesca Albanese a witch??? At a meeting of the UN?
Has the Israeli government lost it’s mind

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Thedawnchorus · 09/11/2025 09:39

NikkiPotnick · 09/11/2025 08:42

You seem to have misunderstood. I'm applying your can't possibly say approach to the Israeli refusal to allow journalists in, so naturally I can't possibly provide a reason because it's not like either of us know for certain. That would defeat the whole point.

We'll either have wide eyed naivete and a rule where you can't surmise anything for both parties, or neither. Personally I favour the latter, because it's incredibly obvious that both sides don't want journalism due to having things to hide. But you can have the former as long as you apply it across the board.

I have not misunderstood anything. Logic can be applied in certain situations when you can eliminate all other possibilities. You are trying to surmise that Hamas won't let in international journalists is based on nothing more than your opinion. My logic tells me that Israel won't let international journalists in because they have something to hide from the rest of the world. How do we know it is not about protection. Simple. Jeremy Bowen not being allowed to photograph out of a plane window is nothing to do with protection unless they were worried he would fall out. Also, I know, Israel knows, the international courts also know, that it is not Israel's job to protect journalists. They're just not supposed to kill them.

Thedawnchorus · 09/11/2025 09:31

SharonEllis · 09/11/2025 08:45

Israel should let journalists into Gaza | The Jerusalem Post
https://share.google/pxLCCaplrdIqTNdu2

An article published in Israel that imcludes some detail on just some of the Palestinian journalists known to have cooperated to varying degrees with Hamas.

HASSAN ESLAIAH, who worked for the AP and CNN, is kissed by then-Hamas leader Sinwar

Abdallah Aljamal, the Gaza correspondent for The Palestine Chronicle, whom the IDF killed while rescuing three Israeli hostages he was holding in his home.

The Associated Press and CNN fired Oct. 7 infiltrator Hassan Eslaiah, who was photographed being kissed by Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar, after an HonestReporting investigation revealed his terror ties, The New York Times rehired Gazan stringer Soliman Hijjy on October 8, 2023, despite being aware that his Arabic social media posts praised Adolf Hitler.
Just three weeks ago, ABC News interviewed Gaza Civil Spokesman Mahmoud Bassal, an active Hamas operative, as “an emergency responder searching for missing Gazan civilians.” It apparently did not cross the interviewers’ minds to do the most basic due diligence a journalist can – a background check on those being interviewed.
Had they done a check, they would have found that Bassal was an active member of the Zeitoun Battalion of the Izz-ad Din-alQassam Brigades, Hamas’s military wing, directly involved in terrorist attacks.

to add, this means he was not considered a civilian under the Geneva Convention.

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So being seen with a Hamas leader in what context we don't know as they may have been doing their job by interviewing them or a journalist actually having a sickening admiration for Hitler on his social media justifies murdering 270 does it. It is only Israel who claimed that Mahmoud Bassal was an active Hamas operative so I don't know if any due diligence would have revealed anything. Bit like the calendar on the wall which Israel claimed was a list of guards. Could just as likely be an excuse in order to justify silencing him. Even if all five were active Hamas, does not mean it is open season on all journalists.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 09/11/2025 08:48

SomeoneSomewheree · 08/11/2025 23:14

'Less racist' - there we have it folks.

“It’s not true” that support for Israel and Jews is racist. But relentless and exclusive attacks on Israel are racist. There you have it folks.

Funny how words used in defence of Jewish lives and interests don’t mean what anti-Israel campaigners want them to mean.

SharonEllis · 09/11/2025 08:45

Israel should let journalists into Gaza | The Jerusalem Post
https://share.google/pxLCCaplrdIqTNdu2

An article published in Israel that imcludes some detail on just some of the Palestinian journalists known to have cooperated to varying degrees with Hamas.

HASSAN ESLAIAH, who worked for the AP and CNN, is kissed by then-Hamas leader Sinwar

Abdallah Aljamal, the Gaza correspondent for The Palestine Chronicle, whom the IDF killed while rescuing three Israeli hostages he was holding in his home.

The Associated Press and CNN fired Oct. 7 infiltrator Hassan Eslaiah, who was photographed being kissed by Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar, after an HonestReporting investigation revealed his terror ties, The New York Times rehired Gazan stringer Soliman Hijjy on October 8, 2023, despite being aware that his Arabic social media posts praised Adolf Hitler.
Just three weeks ago, ABC News interviewed Gaza Civil Spokesman Mahmoud Bassal, an active Hamas operative, as “an emergency responder searching for missing Gazan civilians.” It apparently did not cross the interviewers’ minds to do the most basic due diligence a journalist can – a background check on those being interviewed.
Had they done a check, they would have found that Bassal was an active member of the Zeitoun Battalion of the Izz-ad Din-alQassam Brigades, Hamas’s military wing, directly involved in terrorist attacks.

to add, this means he was not considered a civilian under the Geneva Convention.

NikkiPotnick · 09/11/2025 08:42

Thedawnchorus · 08/11/2025 18:56

Security from who. If you're answer is going to be Hamas, that is nothing to do with Israel if the journalists want to take their chances. Israel knows that so what other reason could there be that they won't allow journalists in. If you could enlighten me I would be delighted. If Israel allowed the journalists in and Hamas blocked them, guess what, I'd say Hamas are the liars. We will never know until we get either a plausible explanation from Israel as to why no journalists are allowed in or after journalists are actually allowed in.

You seem to have misunderstood. I'm applying your can't possibly say approach to the Israeli refusal to allow journalists in, so naturally I can't possibly provide a reason because it's not like either of us know for certain. That would defeat the whole point.

We'll either have wide eyed naivete and a rule where you can't surmise anything for both parties, or neither. Personally I favour the latter, because it's incredibly obvious that both sides don't want journalism due to having things to hide. But you can have the former as long as you apply it across the board.

Thedawnchorus · 09/11/2025 07:48

CrispyKnees · 08/11/2025 23:40

I am comparing Hamas with those groups. They are all terrorists organisations in control of territory, the same as Hamas.

The integrity of Palestinian journalists in Gaza absolutely should be questioned. They are reporting under Hamas!

It’s not rocket science is it?

Casualty of war, not murder.

Nope. Killing journalists, even in a war zone, under the Geneva Convention, is a war crime and hence murder. Killing aid workers and trying to bury them and their vehicles, murder. Killing WCK while trying to deliver food, murder. Hind Rajab, murder. Killing the ambulance drivers who went to help her, murder. Saying the IDF is the most moral army is like saying Ian Brady and Myra Hindley were the most moral serial killers.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 09/11/2025 06:06

BelleHathor · 29/10/2025 19:37

I know you are extremely careful and diligent in what you post Everexpanding so ignore the aspersions ❤️

The actual video went viral:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vjA7046LPwg

Damn!

He says it plainly
Miss Albanese every time you try to curse Israel with falsehoods and libels your curses fail. Miss Albanese you are a witch and this report is another page in your spell book. You have tried to curse Israel with lies
and hatred, but your poison has failed. Every page of this report is an empty spell, every accusation a charm that does not work, because you are a failed witch. Your words have no power and your report will have no impact. Every time you try to curse us, the opposite happens

Totally unacceptable.

SameOldHill · 08/11/2025 23:50

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 08/11/2025 23:06

Even if that were true - it isn’t - it would be a damn sight less racist and horrible than the frenzied, relentless perma-attacks on a country that is the sole Jewish homeland. To the exclusion of attacks on nations and peoples caught up in every other conflict in the world.

So your argument is that as there are no other Jewish states they were entitled to take the land from the local communities living there?

SameOldHill · 08/11/2025 23:46

The integrity of Palestinian journalists in Gaza absolutely should be questioned. They are reporting under Hamas!

But you agree it’s not ok to kill them right?

CrispyKnees · 08/11/2025 23:40

Thedawnchorus · 08/11/2025 21:43

Wow? You're comparing Palestinians with the all those groups. There were universities in Gaza. Under a sea, air and land blockade, they tried to have some form of life but now you are trying to compare them to the Taliban? You question the integrity of Palestinian journalists and hence support their murder as justified. Just wow.

I am comparing Hamas with those groups. They are all terrorists organisations in control of territory, the same as Hamas.

The integrity of Palestinian journalists in Gaza absolutely should be questioned. They are reporting under Hamas!

It’s not rocket science is it?

Casualty of war, not murder.

SomeoneSomewheree · 08/11/2025 23:14

'Less racist' - there we have it folks.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 08/11/2025 23:06

SomeoneSomewheree · 08/11/2025 23:00

And yes, it is rooted in racism. You can deny it all you want but it's the truth. Some of the deleted posts calling Israel 'to just go in and finish the job once and for all' were sickening.

Even if that were true - it isn’t - it would be a damn sight less racist and horrible than the frenzied, relentless perma-attacks on a country that is the sole Jewish homeland. To the exclusion of attacks on nations and peoples caught up in every other conflict in the world.

SomeoneSomewheree · 08/11/2025 23:00

And yes, it is rooted in racism. You can deny it all you want but it's the truth. Some of the deleted posts calling Israel 'to just go in and finish the job once and for all' were sickening.

SomeoneSomewheree · 08/11/2025 22:57

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 08/11/2025 22:56

The idea of racism against Palestinians on this thread and the Conflict in ME threads generally is laughable. There’s not a shred of evidence for that. Condemning Hamas is just that, nothing else.

And I can’t see anything that Sharon Ellis has said that’s bullying or rude.

These threads always go the same way. If you’re willing to stand up for Israel and Jews expect to be set upon.

Expect to be set upon?
I think quite the opposite.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 08/11/2025 22:56

The idea of racism against Palestinians on this thread and the Conflict in ME threads generally is laughable. There’s not a shred of evidence for that. Condemning Hamas is just that, nothing else.

And I can’t see anything that Sharon Ellis has said that’s bullying or rude.

These threads always go the same way. If you’re willing to stand up for Israel and Jews expect to be set upon.

SomeoneSomewheree · 08/11/2025 22:50

SameOldHill · 08/11/2025 22:03

The dehumanisation of the Palestinians in these threads astounds me.
People live in the circumstances they are given and do the best they can. Hamas were the local government, it would be surprising if many ordinary people weren’t aligned with them in some way.
That doesn’t mean they deserve to die or have their testimonies discredited, any more than the testimonies of people connected with the Israeli government.
Why do we see the humanity in Israeli people and make excuses for them based on their past suffering but not so for the Palestinians?

Racism unfortunately. Although they would never admit it.

SomeoneSomewheree · 08/11/2025 22:49

SharonEllis · 08/11/2025 20:15

Oh make your mind up. I thought you didn't know anything because there were no journalists who could 'independently verify' stuff so how do you KNOW all this? You don't believe Hamas, you don't belkeve Israel, there are no journalists, so how do you know anything?

Rude.

Thedawnchorus · 08/11/2025 22:45

Everexpanding · 08/11/2025 21:20

Could you please stop haranguing dawnchorus @SharonEllis

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I'm checking out now but thanks for the support. Don't worry, I'm happy to be harangued without feeling the need to push the report button or whatever they do.

SameOldHill · 08/11/2025 22:03

The dehumanisation of the Palestinians in these threads astounds me.
People live in the circumstances they are given and do the best they can. Hamas were the local government, it would be surprising if many ordinary people weren’t aligned with them in some way.
That doesn’t mean they deserve to die or have their testimonies discredited, any more than the testimonies of people connected with the Israeli government.
Why do we see the humanity in Israeli people and make excuses for them based on their past suffering but not so for the Palestinians?

Thedawnchorus · 08/11/2025 21:43

CrispyKnees · 08/11/2025 21:26

The most problem with that comparison is how many of that combined figure of journalists in other wars you quoted were locals who may or may not have been working for the propaganda arm of a terrorist government.

Would journalists reporting under the Taliban, Al Shabab, ISIS, the Houthis or Hezbollah be considered as legitimate sources?

Any local journalists in Gaza would have been affiliated with Hamas. How did they have so many in such a small area anyway?

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Wow? You're comparing Palestinians with the all those groups. There were universities in Gaza. Under a sea, air and land blockade, they tried to have some form of life but now you are trying to compare them to the Taliban? You question the integrity of Palestinian journalists and hence support their murder as justified. Just wow.

Everexpanding · 08/11/2025 21:34

Israel is not allowing journalists into Gaza for the same reason it has banned the IRC from inspecting it’s prisons in contravention of the Geneva convention, it wishes to cover up it’s war crimes, like many posters on here seek to do too,

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Everexpanding · 08/11/2025 21:30

No you are not @Thedawnchorus
that was directed to @SharonEllis

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CrispyKnees · 08/11/2025 21:26

Thedawnchorus · 08/11/2025 20:11

This is going to be my last post on this subject now. I've spent too much time on this today struggling with a hangover instead of getting on with what I had to do. It has been reported that more journalists have been killed in Gaza than the American Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam combined. An independent journalist going into this war would be very brave indeed. We know who's killing the journalists. The point is, even if they weren't in the right place at the right time it's better than the alternative of relying on a military that slaughtered aid workers and then tried to not just bury them but their ambulances as well. Don't you think?

The most problem with that comparison is how many of that combined figure of journalists in other wars you quoted were locals who may or may not have been working for the propaganda arm of a terrorist government.

Would journalists reporting under the Taliban, Al Shabab, ISIS, the Houthis or Hezbollah be considered as legitimate sources?

Any local journalists in Gaza would have been affiliated with Hamas. How did they have so many in such a small area anyway?

Thedawnchorus · 08/11/2025 21:22

Am I bullying? I don't think I am.

Everexpanding · 08/11/2025 21:20

SharonEllis · 08/11/2025 20:15

Oh make your mind up. I thought you didn't know anything because there were no journalists who could 'independently verify' stuff so how do you KNOW all this? You don't believe Hamas, you don't belkeve Israel, there are no journalists, so how do you know anything?

Could you please stop haranguing dawnchorus @SharonEllis

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