How will carrying out "powerful strikes " on Gaza help to get the bodies back?

No, more innocent people died because Israel decided to kill them. Israel killed those children. Israel are responsible for their own actions.

Think she meant Israel, not you @Twiglets1.

Because the Israelis are the ones killing yet more civilians. I want them to stop now, as do many other people around the world. Is it really that hard to understand?

No I won't stop while there are people on here peddling misinformation.

The IDF have broken the ceasefire because Hamas broke the ceasefire (some say it's the other way round but that argument could go on forever).

At this point it's clear that both sides have broken the ceasefire and it's just wrong to pretend that it's all the fault of "the Israelis".

Hamas need to stop firing at IDF soldiers and start returning more dead hostages as quickly as they are able to and without any theatrics - that would stop the IDF air strikes and thus stop innocent children being caught up in this war.

Hamas have broken the ceasefire in a completely pointless way, hiding remains of a body, and then pretending to find it. Even the Red Cross have commented.
Why are you writing Hamas out of your narrative? To what end?

It is not the slightest bit nuanced. The Israelis have broken the ceasefire and are killing innocent children again. Just stop for Gods sake.

I know ... people move on and that's a good thing. Holding grudges over generations doesn't end well - just look at Gaza.

I still feel a sense of absolute horror about what happened to Jews and certain other groups at the time of the holocaust. But do I blame German people for that who weren't even alive at the time... no of course not.

I wish we could block posters too, it's just boring after a while to have to refute other people's weird obsessions and grudges.

They aren't.

Thats why Hamas should have just returned the body instead of fucking about.

More innocent people have died because they didn't.

Of course she's wrong. Who cares about what the Japanese did to the Chinese these days? Who still holds even the Holocaust against the Germans?

A small subset of Israel haters will use this to justify their Israel hatred of course, tale as old as time.

I wish we could block some posters. The same old lines everytime, nothing new to add, completely closed off to any kind of wider thinking.

Why are dead hostages more important that alive children?

So you keep saying about Israel's actions in the war but I think that represents your own views more than a realistic likelihood.

Germany's actions in 2 world wars have largely been forgiven even by those who actively fought them at the time like the UK so I think you're wrong about people not being able to move on after wars end.

And Hamas are blameless, fluffy, righteous freedom fighters who's actions have no consequences in your narrative because Israel is the big bad meanie and is to blame for absolutely everything ever, yes yes we know.

Yup, lots of they couldn't even wait 2 weeks to resume the killing. Netanyahu's actions have associated those supporting his actions inside and outside of Israel with a barbarity which will not be forgotten nor forgiven for generations.

Anything to say about the dead hostage release show?

The Red Cross have taken a stand (highly unusual for them as they try hard to appear neutral) and made a statement that the "return of remains to loved ones must not be politicized."

Again, it wasn't the relatives choice.

And it's a lot more nuanced than the way you present it. If we are talking about what we would rather see, wouldn't we rather see a dead hostage treated with respect and not used in some sort of twisted game to get a gotcha on Israel that led to more bloodshed of innocent people.

Israel killed 22 children last night, no justification

Well, might it not have just been simpler to return the dead body you were already holding- to the family to whom it's of utmost importance to- and avoid and more death entirely?

Hmm. I would rather let go of having a dead body returned than see more children murdered.

They sound intelligent - it's a conundrum really with no good answer but definitely a good question.

Why come off it to to show some respect for the relatives of this dead hostage - aren't they innocent civilians too?

I was disappointed to see the the retaliation authorised by Netanyahu yesterday and publicly endorsed by Trump today, and hope the ceasefire begins again today and the airstrikes stop.

But it was somewhat inevitable that there would eventually be a military response if Hamas wouldn't lie low after the ceasefire and be seen to be doing everything they could in good faith to return the dead hostages.

My 10 year old is interested to know what kind of vacuum Hamas exists in that it may do the awful things it does yet still not be held accountable for the consequences of their actions by the Mums of mumsnet.

I did ask you yesterday not to tag me again.

But will make an exception for this post just to confirm to others that no I am not in favour of collective punishment and have never said innocent civilians should be killed. My anger is purely aimed at Hamas, who knew they were risking the ceasefire with their antics. There is video evidence of them staging yesterday's dead hostage return and it was pretty obviously a deliberate provocation.

The Red Cross have distanced themselves from it and issued a statement saying that the video of Hamas staging the discovery of a hostage's body in front of Red Cross volunteers was "unacceptable."

"It is unacceptable that a staged recovery of hostages has occurred, especially when so much depends on the existence of this agreement and so many families are still anxiously waiting for information about their loved ones."

You make horrible assumptions about other people's views as shown in the above post which is exactly why I no longer wish to engage with you on threads.

Oh come off it.Once again the Israelis are murdering innocent civilians. The other side behaving badly can’t justify this slaughter.

I had to look up the origin of ghetto. In 1500s Venice, Jews were forced by law to live on a specific island, the ‘ghetto Nuevo’ (new foundry).

Re Palestinians living in Israel: you now have very strong views on a group that a few posts ago you seemed not to know existed.

Here’s a fairly balanced article for you. Arab Israelis are slightly poorer than Jewish Israelis on average, and the two groups tend to live in different places (less so as time goes on though). To say they are treated like Jews were in Nazi Europe is a gross overreach.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel

Your original gotcha was “do Palestinians live in Israel?” and it fell pretty flat because the answer is “yes, millions do”.

So now my turn: do Jews live in Iraq, Egypt, Gaza, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Lebanon? (I could go on)

Why not? When did that happen and how?

And Israel have also violated the ceasefire pretty much from day one. But we could argue all day long about who broke it first. But please tell us why the problems with returning dead bodies of the hostages (whether it is deliberate or not) justifies Israel killing more innocent civilians? Are you in favour of Israel dishing out more collective punishment?