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How will carrying out "powerful strikes " on Gaza help to get the bodies back?

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mouthpipette · 28/10/2025 17:08

BN has resumed the attack on Gaza, surely finding bodies is easier when you are not being bombed, shelled, shot at and starved.

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Twiglets1 · 31/10/2025 06:59

dairydebris · 30/10/2025 20:30

Why on earth was my post deleted does anyone know?

Ive emailed to ask too.

Is mentioning strawmen not allowed?

I don’t know - did your post get reinstated?

dairydebris · 30/10/2025 20:30

Why on earth was my post deleted does anyone know?

Ive emailed to ask too.

Is mentioning strawmen not allowed?

JustSomeRandomOnTheInternet · 30/10/2025 20:22

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/10/2025 18:57

Those families that have been waiting by the phone do you think they feel better now that 35 more children have been killed in their memory? 35 children dead who were alive yesterday because of a delay in getting back a body?

So you think that killing 35 children because of a delay in getting back a body is acceptable do you?

Killing 35 children isn’t ’the perspective of someone who is grieving’. It’s completely unacceptable.

Were the strikes on terrorist cells because of Hamas deliberately playing sick psychological games with the body parts of people they dragged into Gaza after murdering them/or murdered them afterwards, or to attack the terrorist cells?

Why are these terrorist cells keeping all these children around them knowing they would be targeted after firing on or trying to fire on the IDF, that’s if Hamas figures of the dead and the demographics of the dead are to be believed?

Hamas orchestrate the conditions to cause outrage, as they have always done, you’d think that would have been picked up on by now.

The only way Gazan children could have been in anyway protected throughout this war considering it was Hamas’s aim to use them as pawns, was to evacuate them from the war zone, as is common practice in wars, which should have been done from the very beginning but horrifically it seems their most ardent supporters preferred they were used as human sacrifices for Hamas and it’s cause as there has been a deafening silence about that from them.

Lots of global pressure on Israel to appease their terrorist government to protect them but none on the neighbouring country just a few km away, where many Gazans originated from and which bears a lot of responsibility for the situation today, to give them refuge.

dairydebris · 30/10/2025 19:49

keepeofthesevenkeys · 30/10/2025 19:39

No of course I don't, and its quite fucking disgusting you'd imply otherwise. Psycho maybe, since apparently its okay to call people that.

You will be required to bat away at least a few strawmen before real discussion can take place.

keepeofthesevenkeys · 30/10/2025 19:39

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/10/2025 18:57

Those families that have been waiting by the phone do you think they feel better now that 35 more children have been killed in their memory? 35 children dead who were alive yesterday because of a delay in getting back a body?

So you think that killing 35 children because of a delay in getting back a body is acceptable do you?

Killing 35 children isn’t ’the perspective of someone who is grieving’. It’s completely unacceptable.

No of course I don't, and its quite fucking disgusting you'd imply otherwise. Psycho maybe, since apparently its okay to call people that.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/10/2025 18:57

keepeofthesevenkeys · 30/10/2025 18:20

Uh-huh sure. Calling the perspective of someone who is grieving psycho isn't calling them psycho at all. And I'm sure calling people Israeli arse lickers or whatever their latest insult of choice is perfectly polite too.

Those families that have been waiting by the phone do you think they feel better now that 35 more children have been killed in their memory? 35 children dead who were alive yesterday because of a delay in getting back a body?

So you think that killing 35 children because of a delay in getting back a body is acceptable do you?

Killing 35 children isn’t ’the perspective of someone who is grieving’. It’s completely unacceptable.

keepeofthesevenkeys · 30/10/2025 18:20

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/10/2025 16:59

They didn’t actually call people psycho- they said that kind of behaviour is psycho, meaning the actions or decisions that led to more children being killed, not the individuals themselves. The focus of that post was on the unbearable loss of life, not attacking other posters.

Uh-huh sure. Calling the perspective of someone who is grieving psycho isn't calling them psycho at all. And I'm sure calling people Israeli arse lickers or whatever their latest insult of choice is perfectly polite too.

Hiddenmnetter · 30/10/2025 18:18

CrossChecking · 29/10/2025 17:10

And Israel are the ones who chose to kill almost 50 children in 24hrs. You can rabbit on about Hamas all you like but this blood is on Israels hands, just as the blood of those killed on Oct 7 is on Hamas.

We could say that Israel knew that keeping people under occupation would lead to violence does that make Oct 7 Israels fault? Actions have consequences right?

And if there was no reprisal for Hamas’ actions killing the soldier, what would then have happened? Do you think it would have de-escalated or would Hamas have been emboldened to do more, take further action. It was telling that immediately upon the ceasefire the first actions Hamas took were to round up and publicly execute “collaborators”- these aren’t the actions of people who are prepared to go quietly into the night

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/10/2025 16:59

keepeofthesevenkeys · 30/10/2025 16:49

They could have said all that without calling people psycho.

They didn’t actually call people psycho- they said that kind of behaviour is psycho, meaning the actions or decisions that led to more children being killed, not the individuals themselves. The focus of that post was on the unbearable loss of life, not attacking other posters.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/10/2025 16:53

CrossChecking · 29/10/2025 12:44

It's not worth the lives of children though. Those families that have been waiting by the phone do you think they feel better now that 35 more children have been killed in their memory? 35 children dead who were alive yesterday because of a delay in getting back a body? I'm sorry but that's psycho behaviour and coming from the same army that shoots Palestinians trying to retrieve the bodies of their dead.

There are a hell of lot more than 13 families waiting for the bodies of their loved ones to be found. I'm sick of those people being erased from the conversation. There are 1000s of bodies lost in Gaza. 1000s of families waiting for their loved ones remains. Let's work peacefully to get them all back with their families instead of creating more dead bodies because someone somewhere has decided that those 13 are the most important.

So well put!

keepeofthesevenkeys · 30/10/2025 16:49

MissyB1 · 30/10/2025 16:10

What I think pp meant was it’s not worth killing more children over this, deciding that is worth doing that is what’s crazy!! And I doubt that the hostage families are going to feel any better knowing that more innocent kids have died. There are families on both sides of this conflict who would like a dignified burial for their loved ones.

They could have said all that without calling people psycho.

MissyB1 · 30/10/2025 16:10

keepeofthesevenkeys · 30/10/2025 12:37

You think its psycho for people to be concerned about their loved ones remains? Have you ever been in a position where a close family member has been murdered and you don't know when or where or how they died or whether you will ever get to hold a funeral? Accusing people in that situation of being psychopaths for not thinking about it in a strictly utilitarian manner is hearless.

What I think pp meant was it’s not worth killing more children over this, deciding that is worth doing that is what’s crazy!! And I doubt that the hostage families are going to feel any better knowing that more innocent kids have died. There are families on both sides of this conflict who would like a dignified burial for their loved ones.

keepeofthesevenkeys · 30/10/2025 12:37

CrossChecking · 29/10/2025 12:44

It's not worth the lives of children though. Those families that have been waiting by the phone do you think they feel better now that 35 more children have been killed in their memory? 35 children dead who were alive yesterday because of a delay in getting back a body? I'm sorry but that's psycho behaviour and coming from the same army that shoots Palestinians trying to retrieve the bodies of their dead.

There are a hell of lot more than 13 families waiting for the bodies of their loved ones to be found. I'm sick of those people being erased from the conversation. There are 1000s of bodies lost in Gaza. 1000s of families waiting for their loved ones remains. Let's work peacefully to get them all back with their families instead of creating more dead bodies because someone somewhere has decided that those 13 are the most important.

You think its psycho for people to be concerned about their loved ones remains? Have you ever been in a position where a close family member has been murdered and you don't know when or where or how they died or whether you will ever get to hold a funeral? Accusing people in that situation of being psychopaths for not thinking about it in a strictly utilitarian manner is hearless.

BelleHathor · 29/10/2025 19:48

So it's looking like Netanyahu ordered the bombings last night even though the "IDF does not know whether the operation was approved by Hamas leadership or was a decision of the terrorist operatives."

The IDF had entered the tunnel, there was a battle between this cell who all were killed with 1 IDF soildier killed.

In response Netanyahu ordered the killing of over 100 Palestinians including 40+ kids, knowing that his stenographers would simply transcribe and amplify his official narrative.

The disparity between what's reported in Hebrew media vs Western Media continues.
https://news.walla.co.il/item/3790366

How will carrying out "powerful strikes " on Gaza help to get the bodies back?
How will carrying out "powerful strikes " on Gaza help to get the bodies back?
How will carrying out "powerful strikes " on Gaza help to get the bodies back?
SomeoneSomewheree · 29/10/2025 19:20

Someone will be along soon enough to defend Israel's mindless killing.

CrossChecking · 29/10/2025 17:43

dairydebris · 29/10/2025 17:23

It doesn't directly follow that withdrawing from a territory while keeping control of a border will automatically result in rape, hostage taking, and murder though does it?

Whereas it clearly follows that breaking the terms of a ceasefire will result in the ceasefire coming to an end.

I'd be interested to hear what exact action of Israel's resulted in the atrocities of 7 October? And what you would have had Israel do instead, that would have prevented 7 October?

In return, I'll tell you that hiding then finding a body was directly the opposite of the terms of the ceasefire so ceasefire was briefly ended. Clear actions and consequences. What Hamas could have done is just return the body any time in the last few weeks. No cost to them, no Palestinian lives lost.

Now you do October 7, like you suggested. I'll listen.

I suggested that Oct 7 was the fault of Hamas. You are the one who thinks that people aren't responsible for their own actions, oh wait it's not people is it, it's just Israel. Poor Israel, have no choice but to blow children up repeatedly, Hamas made them do it 😭

I hope the faces of those innocent children haunt the people who killed them for the rest of their days.

And posting today has just reminded me why I stopped doing it so I'm out, enjoy arse licking Israel 👍

PevenseygirlQQ · 29/10/2025 17:41

dairydebris · 29/10/2025 17:30

Ok. So.

Israel. Some positives. Some negatives.

Hamas. Only negatives.

But Israel is the worst.

Got it.

Excellent, glad we got there

PevenseygirlQQ · 29/10/2025 17:40

@JustSomeRandomOnTheInternet Lol Blood Libel, have a day off.

Was George Bush ever said to be just as evil as Al Qaeda or ISIS? Barack Obama? Théoneste Bagosora? Mohamed Hamdan Dagalo?

Yep - mostly all men in power are greedy war monger, so yes they are.

You can defend Netenyahu all you want, it’s my opinion. Him and Hamas, the same, wasn’t Ted Bundy charming?

Have a great evening

sosorryimnotsorry · 29/10/2025 17:35

JustSomeRandomOnTheInternet · 29/10/2025 17:19

Another blood libel targeting the leader of the only Jewish State.

Was George Bush ever said to be just as evil as Al Qaeda or ISIS? Barack Obama? Théoneste Bagosora? Mohamed Hamdan Dagalo?

How do you think any non Jewish country’s PM would have handled Oct 7th? How would a Western country have dealt with a similar attack on a similar scale - 9/11 anyone?

What about a similar attack in a similar scale on Egypt or Jordan? Although they would have probably asked for Israel’s help.

Israel is a terrorist State, a wolf in sheep’s clothing?

You have really drunk the toxic cool aid my dear.

One thing that stands out about this conflict as opposed to any others is the level of hate toward Israel and the type of language used to describe it.

Pretty obvious why.

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Being the leader of the only Jewish state still doesn’t give him the licence to kill thousands possibly hundreds of thousands of people. Him being Jewish has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not he is guilty of war crimes.
Bush and Blair made many mistakes but at least initially the war on terror was seen as proportionate at the time. From the outset Israel’s intention was deemed to be heavy handed. And correct me if I’m wrong but aid was not restricted by the US or UK forces throughout the war on terror. We did not cause a human induced famine on Afghanistan.
That said we made catastrophic mistakes in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Lessons the world clearly has not learned from.

dairydebris · 29/10/2025 17:30

PevenseygirlQQ · 29/10/2025 16:51

Firstly, I know Hamas have no positives, I don’t know where you got the impression that I thought they did?

Israel can have all the positives it likes, it’s brilliant but IMO Israel is just as bad as Hamas, they are a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Netenyahu is just as evil as Hamas, they both need to be gone, they both have so much hate and they poison everybody they can with it

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Ok. So.

Israel. Some positives. Some negatives.

Hamas. Only negatives.

But Israel is the worst.

Got it.

SomeoneSomewheree · 29/10/2025 17:30

*Many top commanders are graduates from this radical institute.

They indoctrinate them with extreme anti-Palestinian and anti- Arab rhetoric. It's quite disturbing how these same people then march off to Gaza for a killing spree.

dairydebris · 29/10/2025 17:23

CrossChecking · 29/10/2025 17:10

And Israel are the ones who chose to kill almost 50 children in 24hrs. You can rabbit on about Hamas all you like but this blood is on Israels hands, just as the blood of those killed on Oct 7 is on Hamas.

We could say that Israel knew that keeping people under occupation would lead to violence does that make Oct 7 Israels fault? Actions have consequences right?

It doesn't directly follow that withdrawing from a territory while keeping control of a border will automatically result in rape, hostage taking, and murder though does it?

Whereas it clearly follows that breaking the terms of a ceasefire will result in the ceasefire coming to an end.

I'd be interested to hear what exact action of Israel's resulted in the atrocities of 7 October? And what you would have had Israel do instead, that would have prevented 7 October?

In return, I'll tell you that hiding then finding a body was directly the opposite of the terms of the ceasefire so ceasefire was briefly ended. Clear actions and consequences. What Hamas could have done is just return the body any time in the last few weeks. No cost to them, no Palestinian lives lost.

Now you do October 7, like you suggested. I'll listen.

SomeoneSomewheree · 29/10/2025 17:19

JustSomeRandomOnTheInternet · 29/10/2025 15:21

Hmm sounds like some kind of projectionist project to demonise Israel to me. Channel 4 known for bias against Israel.

What are your thoughts on the Palestinian cause to annihilate Israel and eradicate the Jews spoken openly about by their leaders, the indoctrination of hate in Palestinian schools, kids terrorist training summer camps and Palestinians on Oct 7th shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ while slaughtering Jews and in celebration of the slaughter?

Do you think Channel 4 might do a documentary on that radicalisation?

Your deflection has been noted. The segment also highlighted how many top commanders where this extreme radicalisation takes place, are often top commanders in the army.

JustSomeRandomOnTheInternet · 29/10/2025 17:19

PevenseygirlQQ · 29/10/2025 16:51

Firstly, I know Hamas have no positives, I don’t know where you got the impression that I thought they did?

Israel can have all the positives it likes, it’s brilliant but IMO Israel is just as bad as Hamas, they are a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Netenyahu is just as evil as Hamas, they both need to be gone, they both have so much hate and they poison everybody they can with it

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Another blood libel targeting the leader of the only Jewish State.

Was George Bush ever said to be just as evil as Al Qaeda or ISIS? Barack Obama? Théoneste Bagosora? Mohamed Hamdan Dagalo?

How do you think any non Jewish country’s PM would have handled Oct 7th? How would a Western country have dealt with a similar attack on a similar scale - 9/11 anyone?

What about a similar attack in a similar scale on Egypt or Jordan? Although they would have probably asked for Israel’s help.

Israel is a terrorist State, a wolf in sheep’s clothing?

You have really drunk the toxic cool aid my dear.

One thing that stands out about this conflict as opposed to any others is the level of hate toward Israel and the type of language used to describe it.

Pretty obvious why.