Deeper understanding of why Israel was created

Totally outed yourself, rape denial, false flag accusations etc.

Rape denial.

What rapes? That comment disgusts me and I’m not responding to you anymore.

I think that Israel are now more inclined to 'savage retaliatory actions' after Oct 7. Just like the actions of Hamas though it doesn't make it OK. I don't understand why this thinking isn't more accepted. Why are people pretending that Israels actions over the past few years have been self defence when clearly they haven't, clearly they have been savage and retaliatory and not ok just like the actions of Hamas. So let's start treating Israel like we treat Hamas not welcoming their president for a handshake and refusing to stop all military sales.

Yes I do and the massacre, kidnappings & rape is hardly something to use a laughing emoji when discussing.

Oh good a false flagger 🙄

@Gymimposter1977 ,

‘So you believe that the most heavily fortified security fence in the world was breached without the Israeli government knowing about it for several hours 😂’

Yes, 💯! What you are claiming is pretty antisemitic, that the Israeli leadership would sacrifice its own young adults as some kind of false flag attack.

‘October 7th was a pretext to justify a long planned massive annexation exercise,as for your " cult like" accusation, Israel has a multi billion dollar propaganda machine, Palestinians have no power.’

Hamas was given money by Qatar, admittedly permitted by Netanyahu. I don’t think it was a ‘long planned’ exercise at all. You could see the shock on Netanyahu’s face after 7/10. It was a catastrophic intelligence failing on his watch.

I do think that elements of Netanyahu’s coalition used it as an excuse for annexation. However, if Trump hadn’t got in, they never would have been allowed to do what they did in Gaza or The West Bank. The cynical here were Hamas who wanted Israel to overreact and then the World to back them.

A quick AI search below shows the evidence for it.

I was actually sympathetic to some of your arguments before you posted this hogwash conspiracy theory.

The Hostage Strategy: Recovered operational documents and public statements by Hamas officials confirm that seizing a large number of civilian and military hostages was central to their plan. Hamas viewed these captives as essential bargaining leverage intended to survive the initial violent counter-attack and force subsequent negotiations for Palestinian prisoners held in Israel. 1, ]
Calculated Regional Escalation: Captured internal memorandums and post-attack analyses indicated that Hamas hoped the severe Israeli retaliation would trigger a wider, multi-front regional war—incorporating proxies and aligned groups across the "axis of resistance"—rather than remaining an isolated conflict confined solely to Gaza. 1, 2]
Acceptance of High Costs: According to reports citing internal documents attributed to late Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar, the leadership calculated that the devastating human and structural toll of Israel's anticipated reaction was an acceptable cost for breaking the status quo and revitalizing the Palestinian cause on a global scale. 1, 2]

Cambridge University Press & Assessment

Hamas' October 7th Genocide: Legal Analysis and the Weaponisation of Reverse ...
8 Aug 2025 — While the destruction of Israel is an integral part of Hamas ideology, recently captured documents demonstrate that on October 7th Hamas believed that Israel's ...

The Washington Post

Hamas envisioned deeper attacks, aiming to provoke an Israeli war - The Washington Post
According to intelligence and security officials, Hamas's plan for the October 7, 2023 attack on Israel was to inspire violence in the West Bank and beyond. Ham...

Taylor & Francis Online

Full article: The Strategic Origins of Hamas's October 7 Attack
Abstract Having become strategically tethered to the Axis, Hamas apparently intended to detonate, as it were, this strategic infrastructure and plunge Israel in...

NPR

What did Hamas aim to gain by its brazen attack on Israel? Here's what to know - NPR
Bilal Saab, a former Pentagon official who is now a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, says he doesn't think Hamas expected the attack to lead to an Is...

Facebook·The Jerusalem Post

A newly released Hamas document reportedly shows Yahya Sinwar believed Israel could ...
13 Jul 2026 — ... disclosed reports say a handwritten document attributed to former Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar indicates he believed Israel could respond to a large-scale Hama...

The Washington Post

Documents found on fighters reveal Hamas capabilities, bloody plans
One 14-page document partially posted by South First Responders and verified by Israeli authorities outlined attack plans for Mefalsim, a small kibbutz of 1,000...

Facebook

Hamas' October 7, 2023 attack on Israel was “a response to every act of aggression, and ...
Behind the attacks of Hamas in Israel Saleh al-Arori, deputy head of Hamas's political wing, said Hamas' will and determination to fight the Israeli occupation ...

YouTube·NBC News

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IDF releases Hamas documents directing how to carry out civilian abductions

so if someone from new york stole your home youd go to new york and rape murder and kidnap a bunch of innocent people? thats a hell of a thing to admit

Why are Israel supporters “cult like” but not those that defend or minimise the actions of Hamas and other terrorists that engage in savage acts in Gaza & elsewhere?

If it’s understandable that people become radicalised, maybe it’s understandable that Israel may be more inclined to “savage retaliatory actions” themselves after 7/10/23?

That begs the question of why the Chief Prosecutor of the ICC at the time cancelled an agreed planned 'on the ground' fact finding mission to Gaza on the day the arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant were issued doesn't it?

Sections 8 to 13 are of particular interest.

Request to Disqualify the Prosecutor and for Ancillary Remedies.pdf

There's plenty of terrorists and terrorist attacks in the West Bank. Maybe you're not aware of this, strange if you're not though?

Hamas and PIJ are there too.

Plenty of attacks on 'settler' farms too with them set on fire and cattle killed with poisoned water, dates, rock and molotov cocktail throwing at cars, stabbings. I don't think it's as simple as calling the violence in the West Bank 'settler violence'.

Yes not all civillians on either side are innocent but not a single one of the people being battered by Israeli civillians in the West Bank are guilty of hiding Jewish or Thai hostages(everybody forgets about them for some reason 🤔). They are victims of violent, disturbing Israeli civillians. So again, I'm not sure why you were 'both siding' it when I was clearly talking about the victims in the West Bank who are suffering at the hands of Israeli civillians(who are there illegally in the first place) on the daily. There is no 'both sides' there is there?

No I am not talking about all the settlers, just the ones who engage in violent behaviour.

You do need to look at the culpability of both sides because some Palestinians are Hamas and some are enabling Hamas - some helped to hide Jewish hostages for example- so they are not all innocent of any wrongdoing.

I believe in punishing those that are actually guilty of something, be it joining a terrorist organisation, helping a terrorist organisation, or engaging in violence against innocent civilians whether those civilians are Palestinian or Israeli.

Hamas are a proscribed group, they are terroists. Settlers aren't as I explained in my previous post that's why I say Israeli civillians. There are over 700,000 Israeli settlers, are you saying that all of them are violent degenerates, is that who you are talking about when you say settlers, every Israeli who has settled in the OPT? That's an extreme view. All of them are contributing to the illegal occupation and the oppression of Palestinians for sure but they aren't all violent individuals who beat the elderly and sexually assault people. That's just some Israeli civillians.

Obviously it isn't all Israeli civillians or even all Israeli settlers who are dangerous, violent people. The ones who are though are fully to blame for their vicious behaviour, there is no need to look to history or blame both sides like you said in a previous post.

If you have a problem with my wording perhaps start petitioning the government to proscribe them all, that way we can call them what they are.

It would appear not.

You are automatically a citizen only if at least one parent was a British citizen or settled in the UK (such as having Indefinite Leave to Remain or settled status) when you were born.
If neither parent was British or settled, you do not get citizenship automatically