Deeper understanding of why Israel was created

It’s not ridiculous at all. Saying that Palestinians in Palestinian Territories should have the same rights as Israelis in Israel is though. They are separate entities except where territory is disputed. It is just as absurd as my comparison.

Don’t the Palestinians outside of Israel have the PA and Hamas as their governing bodies? Are Jewish people allowed to vote and demand equal rights under them?

From my understanding Palestinians outside of Israel don’t want to be governed by Israel anyway. They want the all the land for themselves.

When did Israel invade the Palestinian Territories btw. Are you getting confused with Jordan and Egypt?

"You are right about the risk to a Jewish state but so what" So what! So Hamas and others who support or followed them into Israel on Oct 7th could do how they wish to individuals and you say so what. Unless the people decide to stop killing then it really wouldn't currently work. Cloud cuckoo land thinking won't happen until terrorists stop killing and no longer have that aim. The fence didn't stop Hamas and various other Palestinians so not having a fence is a bit of a step too far at the moment. Maybe in the future but not yet.

I think there is a marked distinction between Israeli leaders and Palestinian leaders though.

Israeli leaders main goal is protecting their civilians and I believe they want to live to peace and don’t wish to annihilate Palestinians.

Palestinian leaders main goal is using their civilians as human sacrifices and collateral damage because they don’t want peace and do wish to annihilate the Jews.

I didn’t say they had? I said Israel (meaning the government) were not innocent in the situation, and that they had murdered thousands of Palestinians, most of whom would be normal people wanting to live in peace, and said the same of Israeli’s.

Hamas/ex leaders of Palestine are indeed terrorists, they need to be gone, they are not good to their own people, I don’t condone them, but they are not solely the bad guys Israel are also bad. IMO. Those in power don’t suffer innocent civilians always suffer, Jewish, Israeli, Palestinians and muslims.

To be fair this spitting situation is disgusting and I don’t get it at all but I believe these are a small contingent of extremist Jews and I don’t think they have committed suicide bombings, plane hijackings, massacres of Olympic teams, taken teenagers hostage and murdered them, gone on stabbing and shooting rampages, car rammings, thrown Molotov cocktails, murdered while families in their beds, etc (all before Oct 7th) so not in any way comparative to the extremist contingent of Palestinians.

I also don’t think any Israeli soldiers or civilians have ever carried out an attack like Oct 7th and taken babies, young children and the elderly hostage, either.

one of the 111 reported cases of attacks against Christians documented in a 2024 Annual Report

Not just two asshole teenagers let’s be fair. Some Jewish people can be racists, I have seen videos of Israeli spitting at a chinese journalist who was there to show support for Israel (however day by day I do not know what video’s are real or AI these days but it did seem legit)

I think Israel has killed its fair share of Palestinians, Israel are not innocent in all of this, again lets be fair. Killing from both sides is wrong, and most of the dead will be innocent Israelis and Palestinians just trying to live in peace.

I’m really sorry but that is an absolutely ridiculous statement. France has not, currently, invaded Britain and then holding elections in Britain while excluding British people from voting. If they did then obviously it would be aparthied.

You can’t equate 2 arsehole teenagers spitting at a Friar with the countless murders commuted by the Islamists against the Jews.
Well, maybe the pro-pallies can, if it demonizes Jews.

From the Times of Israel:

On October 17, 2024, a Capuchin friar was walking through the park near the historic neighborhood of Yemin Moshe in Jerusalem when two Jewish teenagers spat at him without saying a word.
The unfortunately all-too-common episode is one of the 111 reported cases of attacks against Christians documented in a 2024 Annual Report by the Rossing Center for Education and Dialogue, released on Thursday.

Artificially created countries breed conflict through a festering sense of injustice. Look at India/Pakistan, N/S Ireland.

I do not see an end to this conflict. This is the legacy of how the "solution" was drafted in the first place. Western countries are notoriously bad at understanding indigenous peoples, but still wade in with their solutions like ignorant magicians.

@Thedawnchorus ’It could still be a safe homeland for Jews, Christians and Muslims’

It is already that. It’s the Muslim terrorists that are the problem.
I don’t here anything about the Christians and Jews going at it, just the Muslims.

Not everyone in the UK has the vote, you need to be a British citizen. As I understand all who are citizens in Israel aside from the disputed territories do have the vote - that is a democracy.

Israel is under permanent threat from those who do not want it to exist.

@Thedawnchorus ’It could still be a safe homeland for Jews, Christians and Muslims’

It is already that. It’s the Muslim terrorists that are the problem.
I don’t here anything about the Christians and Jews going at it, just the Muslims.

@Thedawnchorus ’It could still be a safe homeland for Jews, Christians and Muslims’

It is already that. It’s the Muslim terrorists that are the problem.
I don’t here anything about the Christians and Jews going at it, just the Muslims.

Why would people who are NOT Israelis have equal rights to Israelis and rights to vote in Israeli elections?

Do you consider France an apartheid State because the British don’t have equal rights to French citizens and can’t vote in French elections?

Or does that only apply to Israel?

Is there a list of laws from surrounding Arab/Muslim countries that show their discriminatory treatment of Jewish people?

How many Jews had/have residency and equality before and after 1948 in Jordan and Egypt, let alone all the other countries they were expelled from and slaughtered in?

Can Jews live or even enter Ramallah, Nablus, Bethlehem or Jericho without risk to their lives?

Answer that then answer how many Arabs live in Israel?

Do you mean Israel is an apartheid state against people who wish to annihilate their Jewish citizens, and therefore practises discriminatory treatment towards them?

Arab Palestinians / Israelis who live in Israel proper do indeed have the right to vote. Palestinians who live in what should be the official Palestinian State also vote, heard of Fatah? Hamas? Who voted for them if Palestinians can't vote?

Or are you arguing for a one state solution? Have you thought through what that wpuld mean for the only Jewish nation in the world?

But don't worry, you've made yourself clear with this-

'Of course this would mean it could no longer call itself a Jewish state but if that is a set in stone requirement, perhaps they should have found some land that wasn’t already populated.'

That put you firmly in the camp of Not Worth Responding To.

Why would people who are NOT Israelis have equal rights to Israelis and rights to vote in Israeli elections?

Do you consider France an apartheid State because the British don’t have equal rights to French citizens and can’t vote in French elections?

Or does that only apply to Israel?

I said as an apartheid state. I would have said the same of South Africa in the 80’s. If, on the other hand, it gives the Palestinians complete equal rights including the right to vote, as South Africa did, I would have a lot more sympathy for them. Of course this would mean it could no longer call itself a Jewish state but if that is a set in stone requirement, perhaps they should have found some land that wasn’t already populated.

There is a list of over 65 Israeli laws that discriminate directly or indirectly against Palestinian citizens in Israel and/or Palestinian residents of the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT) on the basis of their national belonging. Since the establishment of the state, Israel has relied upon these laws to ground their discriminatory treatment of Arab citizens and allow the unequal status and unequal treatment of Jewish and Arab citizens to persist.

It’s an apartheid state, not a democracy.