Deeper understanding of why Israel was created

I tried to get you into conversarion? I responde to your comment on a public internet forum on which anyone can post and you immediately started getting aggresive and implying that I'm racist. What I meant was that I was unsure what your comment had to do with the thread topic.

What I meant by what?

I am here to say that historical context really matters, not here to negate the experience of any group,

While recognizing that 1,500 pogroms resulting in the mass murder of tens of thousands of Jewish civilians, and of course the pain of destruction that it entailed, but reducing the suffering of other groups in that same place and time to Yes, there was of course other brutalities but... implies that the same destruction meted out to them is "less than" in importance.

Millions of people died in that time period, in that place. Who were the others and why did they die is an important question?

I do not claim that anti semitism does not exist.

I do claim that at certain times in history, Jews were an also not an only. And therefore, in those times, they fell under the umbrella of a much larger event that was targeting many different strata of society at that time, not just Jews.

That matters. It matters that little Jewish kids know that.

It could be claimed that to be poor peasants or serfs in the Russia of that time was much more dangerous than being a Jew.

At other times in history, like the WW11, it was extremely dangerous to be a Jew.

@AlonsoMosley "When we look back at other times though, like the progroms in Russia that you mentioned for example, Jews were not the only group being targeted. Other groups were also under fire, and actually being killed like serfs and peasants for example."

The word pogrom (a Russian term meaning to wreak havoc or demolish violently) came into widespread international and local usage to describe targeted violence specifically directed against Jewish communities including murder, rape and looting of property on an industrial scale. Russia's large Jewish population was forced to live within a specific restricted region known as the Pale of Settlement where similar atrocities were an every day occurrence. After the revolution there were roughly 1,500 pogroms resulting in the mass murder of tens of thousands of Jewish civilians. Tens of thousands. Yes, there was of course other brutalities but Jews suffered far and away the most, as indeed they have wherever they've tried to live.

I think your argument only works if, in time periods you point out, only Jews were persecuted.

The Holocaust stands out as one of the most horrific and shameful events in modern history. Antisemitism, driven by the corrupted, sick minds of the inventors, clearly drove the whole endeavor. They wanted to destroy Jews simply because they were Jewish, that much is clear.

When we look back at other times though, like the progroms in Russia that you mentioned for example, Jews were not the only group being targeted. Other groups were also under fire, and actually being killed like serfs and peasants for example.

My point being that if we focus only on one group durning a time period, we will see only their suffering. If however, we look at the whole of society at that time, we get a better idea of what was actually going on, and therefore, what that actually means for the group we are focused on.

Radical anyone is pretty shit. Do you agree with Meir Kahane?

Oh, okay. Can you explain what you meant.

That's a leap that could get you over the grand canyon.

You said they were responding to a previous post which was unpleasant. I pulled them up for being bigoted, not directly, I didn't call them that. The fact that you were questioning my post sounds like you're trying to explain and defend the bigotry as justified.

No that isn't remotely what I said.

So you're saying it is okay to be racist and bigoted if you think someone else is first?

Are you suggesting some kind of double standard. I've seen some antisemitic posts stay up. The post that the PP was responding to about understanding why people are antisemitic is pretty unpleasant.

Nothing. I saw a post go up, had a look and thought I need to answer what was an obviously Islamaphobic post. You know, the kind that would have been instantly deleted, quite rightly, if it had been antisemitic.

Plenty of people have been slaughtered throughout history to spread religion, whethed Christianity or Islam or countless others. But what does that have to do with the crearion of the state of Israel?

Why are you comparing colonization with the spread of a religion? What about the spread of Christianity around the world. Do you think that was done by peace loving hippies. How many millions have been slaughtered in the name of Christ.

You understand antisemitism? What the living fuck

Tumbleweed!

What’s your understanding of a “failed state”? Repeating a claim isn’t going to make it true.
Any other states in the world you’d like to declare as “failed” because you think their leadership is unstable (i.e. you don’t agree with their actions)?

I've seen all sorts of videos of Gaza. I've see Hamas murdering their own citizens for example. I'd say that's the definition of a failed state.

That is an incredible answer. just watch any video of Palestine right now and tell me the cause of that wasn’t the failed state of Israel.
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