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IDF confirms strikes, accusing Hamas of 'blatant violation' of truce

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Twiglets1 · 19/10/2025 13:10

As reported by the BBC:

The Israel Defense Forces has just released a statement, confirming the strikes in southern Gaza. Here it is in full:

Earlier today, terrorists fired an anti-tank missile and gunfire toward IDF troops operating to dismantle terrorist infrastructure in the Rafah area, in southern Gaza, in accordance with the ceasefire agreement.

In response, the IDF has begun striking in the area to eliminate the threat and dismantle tunnel shafts and military structures used for terrorist activity.
These terrorist actions constitute a blatant violation of the ceasefire agreement, and the IDF will respond firmly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2kpx7yyq9pt

Israel strikes southern Gaza, accusing Hamas of 'bold violation of ceasefire' - live updates

In response, Hamas said it was committed to the ceasefire and accused Israel of breaking it several times.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2kpx7yyq9pt

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TicklishMauveSquid · 19/10/2025 20:51

JacknDiane · 19/10/2025 20:46

"Armchair experts" like you @TicklishMauveSquid?

When have I ever purported to be an expert?

I try to research facts to enable me to have an opinion.

I don’t disseminate propaganda.

JacknDiane · 19/10/2025 20:46

TicklishMauveSquid · 19/10/2025 20:44

When did you ever see the IDF doing this?

WARNING - EXTREMELY DISTURBING FOOTAGE OF A MAN BEING BEATEN BEFORE EXECUTION IN PUBLIC - note the crowds including women and children watching -
https://x.com/EFischberger/status/1979749964780802507

Baffles me why anyone would try to conflate the two, but I guess they have to, to reconcile their minds on what their protests and marches have been about - and they weren’t about getting rid of Hamas, who started the war, were they?

Not surprised nobody wants to send ‘peace keeping’ forces in and stuff like this guarantees Hamas remain in power.

Do all the people outraged at Netanyahu collaborating and arming militias against Hamas still feel the same? I think Israel know the lay of the land in Gaza better than Western armchair ‘experts’.

"Armchair experts" like you @TicklishMauveSquid?

TicklishMauveSquid · 19/10/2025 20:44

PrawnAgain · 19/10/2025 19:32

As I said, I don't trust Hamas or the IDF. I don't feel like either of them are q force for good.

When did you ever see the IDF doing this?

WARNING - EXTREMELY DISTURBING FOOTAGE OF A MAN BEING BEATEN BEFORE EXECUTION IN PUBLIC - note the crowds including women and children watching -
https://x.com/EFischberger/status/1979749964780802507

Baffles me why anyone would try to conflate the two, but I guess they have to, to reconcile their minds on what their protests and marches have been about - and they weren’t about getting rid of Hamas, who started the war, were they?

Not surprised nobody wants to send ‘peace keeping’ forces in and stuff like this guarantees Hamas remain in power.

Do all the people outraged at Netanyahu collaborating and arming militias against Hamas still feel the same? I think Israel know the lay of the land in Gaza better than Western armchair ‘experts’.

Eitan Fischberger (@EFischberger) on X

This is Gaza. This is Hamas. The media, United Nations, and Qatari government want you to believe these are freedom fighters. They are not freedom fighters.

https://x.com/EFischberger/status/1979749964780802507

EasternStandard · 19/10/2025 20:05

Mr Netanyahu issued an order to halt all aid into Gaza “until further notice” but cancelled it hours later after pressure from the US. Deliveries were expected to resume on Monday morning.

On Sunday night, it appeared that Israel had been pulled back from the brink, as the IDF said it had stopped the bombing and “begun the renewed enforcement of the ceasefire, in line with the terms of the agreement”.

Good. I think Trump / US will help on this part.

PrawnAgain · 19/10/2025 19:57

"Israel says it has "begun renewed enforcement" of the ceasefire, hours after carrying out a "wave of strikes" on Gaza

This is good news.

Endofthetunnel25 · 19/10/2025 19:57

I thought Israel always denied they were restricting aid to Gaza? Remember the mass starvation a few months back when Netanyahu categorically denied they had any involvement in aid blockades..?

TomeTome · 19/10/2025 19:55

So the Israelis have got their people back and are now continuing the genocide. What a predictable outcome.

Ihatetomatoes · 19/10/2025 19:48

"Israel says it has "begun renewed enforcement" of the ceasefire, hours after carrying out a "wave of strikes" on Gaza

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and Hamas have accused each other of breaching the ceasefire deal today

Earlier, the IDF said Hamas "fired an anti-tank missile and gunfire toward IDF troops" near Rafah, but the militant group says it is unaware of any clashes there

Hamas has said Israel "continues to breach the agreement", while the IDF says the alleged attack by Hamas is a "bold violation of the ceasefire""

user593 · 19/10/2025 19:40

@HellsBalls An excuse. Even if true, it is no reason to block aid. Israel’s intentions are clear.

PrawnAgain · 19/10/2025 19:39

2 soldiers killed by Hamas.
So, not an excuse, but a reason

A reason to block aid and starve an already malnourished population?

EasternStandard · 19/10/2025 19:36

mids2019 · 19/10/2025 19:24

One person can save the truce and that is Trump. Presumably there is going to be a conversation between Washington and Tel Aviv very shortly and that conversation determines what happens next. Trump will not like the embarrassment after his speeches a week earlier so I can see Israel maybe quickly ramping down attacks but that brings immediately into question how to disarm Hamas.

Trump can get Israel to act. Remember the turn around now with the Iran conflict.

HellsBalls · 19/10/2025 19:35

user593 · 19/10/2025 19:27

It was only a matter of time before Israel invented or over stated something they could use to resume bombing and block aid.

2 soldiers killed by Hamas.
So, not an excuse, but a reason.

In better news though: ‘Hamas's military wing also confirmed the deaths of Muhammad Abu Rafi', Hussein al-Sawalha, A'id Sabri Salman, and Zakaria Abu Habl, all of whom were among its members.’

PrawnAgain · 19/10/2025 19:33

mids2019 · 19/10/2025 19:24

One person can save the truce and that is Trump. Presumably there is going to be a conversation between Washington and Tel Aviv very shortly and that conversation determines what happens next. Trump will not like the embarrassment after his speeches a week earlier so I can see Israel maybe quickly ramping down attacks but that brings immediately into question how to disarm Hamas.

I was thinking this. Trump wants everyone to see peace between Israel and Palestine as his achievement so he has a vested interest in trying to keep the ceasefire intact.

TigTails · 19/10/2025 19:33

PrawnAgain · 19/10/2025 19:32

As I said, I don't trust Hamas or the IDF. I don't feel like either of them are q force for good.

Nope. They’re as trustworthy as one another and it’s civilians on both sides who are paying the price.

PrawnAgain · 19/10/2025 19:32

Bringemout · 19/10/2025 19:16

Hamas lie all the time, these people are executing Palestinians in the streets like they are nothing whilst claiming they are collaborators. You would believe anything these people say?

As I said, I don't trust Hamas or the IDF. I don't feel like either of them are q force for good.

TigTails · 19/10/2025 19:29

user593 · 19/10/2025 19:27

It was only a matter of time before Israel invented or over stated something they could use to resume bombing and block aid.

Surprised it lasted as long as it did tbh.

user593 · 19/10/2025 19:27

It was only a matter of time before Israel invented or over stated something they could use to resume bombing and block aid.

mids2019 · 19/10/2025 19:24

One person can save the truce and that is Trump. Presumably there is going to be a conversation between Washington and Tel Aviv very shortly and that conversation determines what happens next. Trump will not like the embarrassment after his speeches a week earlier so I can see Israel maybe quickly ramping down attacks but that brings immediately into question how to disarm Hamas.

maudelovesharold · 19/10/2025 19:17

For Gazans I feel very worried for them that the war could resume because Hamas won't stop their aggression towards the IDF.
For Israel I feel relief that at least they have their live hostages out of Gaza.
I hope the ceasefire can somehow hold but it seems way less hopeful now.

Not a TAAT, but brings to mind a prescient thread title from a week or so ago - Feel like once the hostages are handed over, Israel will start bombing again

I hope that’s not the case.

Bringemout · 19/10/2025 19:16

PrawnAgain · 19/10/2025 18:48

I don't trust Hamas but also don't trust the IDF.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was a real event, an event exaggerated to justify bombing or if it didn't happen at all.

Hamas lie all the time, these people are executing Palestinians in the streets like they are nothing whilst claiming they are collaborators. You would believe anything these people say?

EasternStandard · 19/10/2025 19:12

Ihatetomatoes · 19/10/2025 17:50

They really need peace keeping force non US , non UK, non EU, to avoid allegations of colonisers, made up from Arab nations to get in and run things before Hamas return Haza to war (which would probably suit them) . Urgently peace keeping forces should be deployed.

I agree with you. Those people might not want to do it either though.

PrawnAgain · 19/10/2025 18:48

Twiglets1 · 19/10/2025 18:44

But then again Hamas are terrorists so I disbelieve everything they say.

I don't trust Hamas but also don't trust the IDF.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was a real event, an event exaggerated to justify bombing or if it didn't happen at all.

Twiglets1 · 19/10/2025 18:44

PrawnAgain · 19/10/2025 18:39

From the link that @Twiglets1 provided it seems there are some questions over the veracity of the attack on the IDF. Hamas are claiming to know nothing about a clash in that area.

But then again Hamas are terrorists so I disbelieve everything they say.

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PrawnAgain · 19/10/2025 18:40

Twiglets1 · 19/10/2025 18:17

In other equally worrying breaking news, Israel announces that it will suspend the delivery of aid into Gaza:

"In accordance with the directive of the political echelon, the transfer of humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip has been halted until further notice, following Hamas’s blatant violation of the agreement," an official says.

This is awful.

Yet again starvation is being used as a tool of war.

PrawnAgain · 19/10/2025 18:39

From the link that @Twiglets1 provided it seems there are some questions over the veracity of the attack on the IDF. Hamas are claiming to know nothing about a clash in that area.