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Freysimo · 19/10/2025 17:43

BluntPlumHam · 19/10/2025 13:42

Sadly Israel is addicted to violence and they’ve breached the ceasefire by shelling innocent families and backing rival militias. The current state of israel has no appetite for peace whatsoever. They will need to have a complete change in regime to even consider this. Oppression creates hate so if Israel want peace the Palestinians need their home back as well their security.

Remind me again who attacked who on October 7? What did you expect Israel to do?

Ihatetomatoes · 19/10/2025 17:41

MissyB1 · 19/10/2025 13:01

Israel have been attacking Gaza again for days. There hasn’t really been a complete ceasefire. I predicted Israel wouldn’t be able to stop themselves.

I imagine if Hamas crawl out of the tunnels and fire at them they would respond.

Hamas have also been killing fellow Palestinians who they deem don't support Hamas. Dreadful isn't it?

Ihatetomatoes · 19/10/2025 17:39

SalmonOnFinnCrisp · 19/10/2025 12:51

Fucking typical guardian - i am not even Jewish and the latent antisemitism makes me want to screaming!!!

Why the fuck is the Headline
"Reports of Israel airstrikes on Rafah as Gaza ceasefire deal comes under threat"

Instead of
"Hamas attack Israeli soldiers threatening ceasefire deal"

From their own article...Hamas militants emerged from tunnels in the Rafah area and shot at Israeli soldiers in the morning, prompting a firefight

Indeed.

The airstrikes reportedly occurred after Hamas militants emerged from tunnels in the Rafah area and shot at Israeli soldiers in the morning, prompting a firefight. Israel’s army radio reported that deadly clashes in Rafah were continuing. Umm now why would Israel fire back?

Egregiousabsolute · 19/10/2025 14:30

To answer your question OP, we need to understand what Hamas want to achieve. So let's look at Hamas' own words:- The Hamas Covenant. The second paragraph declares to all the world that, “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.” The introduction section promises “[o]ur struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious” and will only end when “the enemy is vanquished and Allah’s victory is realized,” and declares that Hamas and the people are ready “to sacrifice life and all that is precious for the sake of Allah.” Article 8 affirms that “Jihad is [Hamas’s] path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of [Hamas’s] wishes.”
Article 7 states:
The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: ‘The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.’
Article 12 instructs that resistance to destroy Israel is “the individual duty of every Moslem” and that even “[a] woman can go out to fight the enemy without her husband’s permission.” Hamas’s charter instructs Palestinians to raise children to wage jihad against the Jews (Article 18) and warns Palestinians that peace negotiations, “peaceful solutions,” and normalization of the Jews are forbidden and that anyone who engages in them is a traitor destined for hell (Article 13).

MrsSkylerWhite · 19/10/2025 14:23

Nescafeneeded · 19/10/2025 14:18

But that wouldn’t be a ‘free Palestine’

It will need a transition period and international investment, obviously.

HellsBalls · 19/10/2025 14:21

@BluntPlumHam ’Unfortunately for you you’re in the minority with that opinion.’

Wrong again. Come out of your cave. Ceasefire is in. Hamas are showing themselves in their true colors.
It’s a little more difficult to tug at the heart strings when it’s just Hamas vs the IDF. When Hams don’t have civilians to sacrifice.

Nescafeneeded · 19/10/2025 14:18

HellsBalls · 19/10/2025 14:16

These skirmishes always happen. It’s why it’s so important to get the peace keepers in there to keep them from ballooning again.

But that wouldn’t be a ‘free Palestine’

MrsSkylerWhite · 19/10/2025 14:17

HellsBalls · 19/10/2025 14:16

These skirmishes always happen. It’s why it’s so important to get the peace keepers in there to keep them from ballooning again.

Completely agree.

HellsBalls · 19/10/2025 14:16

MrsSkylerWhite · 19/10/2025 14:01

Each side is equally guilty of breaking the ceasefire.

These skirmishes always happen. It’s why it’s so important to get the peace keepers in there to keep them from ballooning again.

Twiglets1 · 19/10/2025 14:06

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 19/10/2025 13:51

Isn't Rafah inside the yellow line?

Israel's statement makes it clear that the IDF troops were there to dismantle terrorist infrastructure - by which I think they mean the tunnels. This was allowed under the term of the peace plan.

Earlier today, terrorists fired an anti-tank missile and gunfire toward IDF troops operating to dismantle terrorist infrastructure in the Rafah area, in southern Gaza, in accordance with the ceasefire agreement.

In response, the IDF has begun striking in the area to eliminate the threat and dismantle tunnel shafts and military structures used for terrorist activity.

These terrorist actions constitute a blatant violation of the ceasefire agreement, and the IDF will respond firmly.

Twiglets1 · 19/10/2025 14:02

Nescafeneeded · 19/10/2025 14:02

Thank you, I’m sure you’re a fine intelligence officer

😂

Egregiousabsolute · 19/10/2025 14:02

Terrorists doing terrorist things...

Nescafeneeded · 19/10/2025 14:02

MrsSkylerWhite · 19/10/2025 14:01

Each side is equally guilty of breaking the ceasefire.

Thank you, I’m sure you’re a fine intelligence officer

Nescafeneeded · 19/10/2025 14:01

MissyB1 · 19/10/2025 13:01

Israel have been attacking Gaza again for days. There hasn’t really been a complete ceasefire. I predicted Israel wouldn’t be able to stop themselves.

And Hamas? Do you acknowledge their existence or are they Israelis in disguise as well?

MrsSkylerWhite · 19/10/2025 14:01

Each side is equally guilty of breaking the ceasefire.

Twiglets1 · 19/10/2025 13:59

HellsBalls · 19/10/2025 13:46

Sadly Hamas is addicted to violence and they’ve breached the ceasefire by shooting at the IDF, innocent families and attacking rival militias. The current state of Gaza has no appetite for peace whatsoever. They will need to have a complete change in regime to even consider this. Oppression creates hate so if Palestinians want peace the Israelis need their security.

There, fixed it for you.

Thank you Hells I was getting cognitive dissonance reading that post.

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 19/10/2025 13:51

Isn't Rafah inside the yellow line?

BluntPlumHam · 19/10/2025 13:50

SalmonOnFinnCrisp · 19/10/2025 13:47

Hamas were the instigators of this AND broke the ceasefire...

Yes...A regime change is needed...by Palestine....who are run by a globally acknowledged terrorist organisation.

To be clear get Israel arent the heroes by a long stretch but the notion they are the villians os simplistic and misguided at best.
Hammas have a lot to answer for.

I was surpised to see an emicated and straved palestian man in the press a few months back as I'd noticed all the emaciated Palestinian victims of famine were women and children... upon reading the article i realised I was still yet to see one as it was in fact an Israeli hostage...amazing how hamas are able to feed SOME of it's male citizens and not others

Edited

Nah read again.

BluntPlumHam · 19/10/2025 13:49

HellsBalls · 19/10/2025 13:46

Sadly Hamas is addicted to violence and they’ve breached the ceasefire by shooting at the IDF, innocent families and attacking rival militias. The current state of Gaza has no appetite for peace whatsoever. They will need to have a complete change in regime to even consider this. Oppression creates hate so if Palestinians want peace the Israelis need their security.

There, fixed it for you.

Unfortunately for you you’re in the minority with that opinion. Israel is lucky USA values it as a proxy because otherwise no one has the appetite for the grave crimes against humanity they have committed. Even Britain has had to recognise Palestine as a state. Anyway these threads are all the same.

SalmonOnFinnCrisp · 19/10/2025 13:47

BluntPlumHam · 19/10/2025 13:42

Sadly Israel is addicted to violence and they’ve breached the ceasefire by shelling innocent families and backing rival militias. The current state of israel has no appetite for peace whatsoever. They will need to have a complete change in regime to even consider this. Oppression creates hate so if Israel want peace the Palestinians need their home back as well their security.

Hamas were the instigators of this AND broke the ceasefire...

Yes...A regime change is needed...by Palestine....who are run by a globally acknowledged terrorist organisation.

To be clear get Israel arent the heroes by a long stretch but the notion they are the villians os simplistic and misguided at best.
Hammas have a lot to answer for.

I was surpised to see an emicated and straved palestian man in the press a few months back as I'd noticed all the emaciated Palestinian victims of famine were women and children... upon reading the article i realised I was still yet to see one as it was in fact an Israeli hostage...amazing how hamas are able to feed SOME of it's male citizens and not others

HellsBalls · 19/10/2025 13:46

BluntPlumHam · 19/10/2025 13:42

Sadly Israel is addicted to violence and they’ve breached the ceasefire by shelling innocent families and backing rival militias. The current state of israel has no appetite for peace whatsoever. They will need to have a complete change in regime to even consider this. Oppression creates hate so if Israel want peace the Palestinians need their home back as well their security.

Sadly Hamas is addicted to violence and they’ve breached the ceasefire by shooting at the IDF, innocent families and attacking rival militias. The current state of Gaza has no appetite for peace whatsoever. They will need to have a complete change in regime to even consider this. Oppression creates hate so if Palestinians want peace the Israelis need their security.

There, fixed it for you.

BluntPlumHam · 19/10/2025 13:42

Sadly Israel is addicted to violence and they’ve breached the ceasefire by shelling innocent families and backing rival militias. The current state of israel has no appetite for peace whatsoever. They will need to have a complete change in regime to even consider this. Oppression creates hate so if Israel want peace the Palestinians need their home back as well their security.

Twiglets1 · 19/10/2025 13:39

SalmonOnFinnCrisp · 19/10/2025 12:51

Fucking typical guardian - i am not even Jewish and the latent antisemitism makes me want to screaming!!!

Why the fuck is the Headline
"Reports of Israel airstrikes on Rafah as Gaza ceasefire deal comes under threat"

Instead of
"Hamas attack Israeli soldiers threatening ceasefire deal"

From their own article...Hamas militants emerged from tunnels in the Rafah area and shot at Israeli soldiers in the morning, prompting a firefight

I used to have a subscription to The Guardian until about a year ago but cancelled it over their overly biased reporting on Gaza.

They can send their little begging messages forever as long as I'm concerned, no more money from me since they have displayed a real lack of journalistic integrity.

Edited to add - I'm not Jewish either but it makes me mad too!

Bigminnie1 · 19/10/2025 13:37

MissyB1 · 19/10/2025 13:01

Israel have been attacking Gaza again for days. There hasn’t really been a complete ceasefire. I predicted Israel wouldn’t be able to stop themselves.

Oh for god’s sake. Enough of this shit. If Hamas attacks then Israel have every right to attack back.

SharonEllis · 19/10/2025 13:02

MissyB1 · 19/10/2025 13:01

Israel have been attacking Gaza again for days. There hasn’t really been a complete ceasefire. I predicted Israel wouldn’t be able to stop themselves.

Not unprovoked they havent.

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