Israelis should be welcome in Birmingham

Haven’t RTFT but why are people so convinced of Maccabi fans’ thuggishness? The violence in Amsterdam doesn’t appear to have been their fault.

Are they really the Millwall of Israel? And are Millwall fans banned from other grounds?

Doesn’t it just.

And in no circumstance, when faced with a group of violent, rampaging thugs potentially in their streets, would the police tell the rightfully apprehensive local residents to “get a grip”. That would be a blatant dereliction of duty. Their priority is the safety of local residents.

This is such a scarily diluted version of what actually occurred. It shows the mindset.

If the circumstances were the same with any group of “fans”, I would fully expect the police to carry out exactly the same risk assessment with all intelligence available to them weighed up (which the public is obviously not privy too)

You appear to be suggesting that the police force in Birmingham is institutionally anti-Semitic? If so, that’s one hell of an accusation based purely upon your personal bias.

Yes, of course Israelis should be welcome in Birmingham, and everywhere else, just not Israeli football thugs who have form for violent disorder, destruction of property and mindless racist chanting - e.g. “There are no schools in Gaza because there are no children left.”
Nice. And not at all provocative…

I can't believe the level of disingenuity on this thread.

Let's try a hypothetical scenario.

Imagine if there was a supporting side that was mainly Muslim, a few thugs identified in said side. There was a big event in a predominantly white area who via their MP had already the Muslim attendees wouldn't be welcome due to a conflict thousands of miles away and alleged safety concerns. So the police banned that side as they state that they couldn't maintain safety?

There would be outrage. People would rightly say it was hate and intolerance, tell the locals to get a grip and ban the offenders not the whole supporting side.

Boom 🤣

So Israelis are welcome?

Ah yes the Israel Cabernet, it's not to everyone's taste.

do they have a history of violence? Then probably not.

Well as long as we acknowledge it's not just them.

Although of course "facsist" has lost its meaning due to overuse these days so it will be interesting to see what word replaces it and for whom.

So that its easier to tell what their affiliations might be

Yes, but, anti-Semitism.

Cabinet, predictive text!

As are many members of the Israel Cabernet and the illegal settlers. Fit the above definition very nicely, indeed.

I actually think they think it isn’t a thing, its so bizarre
fan bans have been around for decades, based on the behaviour of those fans. I would guess the vast majority of Liverpool fans in the 80s were Christians, they were not banned for being Christians.

True. Islamists are facists.

Can you really not see the whole picture? It isn't just about some footie louts. They can usually be managed and excluded easily without whole supporting sides excluded.

An MP from Birmingham submitted a petition, he is pro gazan and cited 'genocide' etc on his little speech so not just concerned about the police. He will no doubt have pals in the council with similar leanings.

It is what it represents regarding Birmingham and antisemitism dressed up as 'oh there are some thugs on one supporting side' that is the issue.

Yes, I believe i can see the whole picture.

As I said earlier, the MP and his petition should be dealt with, but his petition shouldn't nullify the fact that this was always a high risk match (MTA's always are) and a safety decision had to be made. The fans should no more be allowed to travel just because of him than they shouldn't be - he's not someone who should be relevant to the decision.

The fans of MTA have had to be banned from numerous places on numerous occasions. As I've already said, UEFA should have dealt with it as the governing body after the scenes in Amsterdam.

If I believed the decision was made solely on the MPs petition I would be in complete agreement with you, but I don't think it was. I think based on their behaviour they should be banned. And I'd say that if they were playing Villa, Man City, Celtic, Ajax or whoever. Just as I think the rangers ban being suspended was a nonsense I think it's a nonsense that UEFA are leaving this to individual match by match decision.

Making a decision "should the MTA fans be allowed to attend this match" is the normal way that safety groups and those responsible have to work because of their behaviour.

No they don’t have to. Liverpool fans were banned from Europe because of the behaviour of some of them

it is a normal protocol

Can you really not see the whole picture? It isn't just about some footie louts. They can usually be managed and excluded easily without whole supporting sides excluded.

An MP from Birmingham submitted a petition, he is pro gazan and cited 'genocide' etc on his little speech so not just concerned about the police. He will no doubt have pals in the council with similar leanings.

It is what it represents regarding Birmingham and antisemitism dressed up as 'oh there are some thugs on one supporting side' that is the issue.

So there are no Jewish Villa fans?
What nonsense. It’s because these “fans” are notorious thugs who have been banned elsewhere.

UEFA should have dealt with it after Amsterdam - that behaviour was absolute ban worthy.

They are very weak on things a lot. Rangers are on a suspended ban (closure of their main stand) for repeated issues at their matches which would see a large section of home fans banned, but away fans allowed.

Are Jewish people banned from attending?

It makes me both ashamed and angry that Birmingham police have come up with this outcome. Any named fan who has a record of criminal behaviour should not get a ticket but this is just a blanket ban on Jews. It is disgusting. Birmingham is going from bad to worse, first they ar bankrupt and don't empty the bins, now they are openly hostile and racist. TH should refuse to allow any Villa fans on return match.