Israelis should be welcome in Birmingham

So who are the Tel Aviv fans going to be fighting with? Aston Villa fans or members of the local population who, I assume, will be out on the streets and not at home if these visiting fans are so threatening?

So who are the Tel Aviv fans going to be fighting with? Aston Villa fans or members of the local population who, I assume, will be out on the streets and not at home if these visiting fans are so threatening?

Bob? Are you talking about Jenrick? Why are you calling him Bob?

England's 'second city' is rather selectively inclusive and diverse it seems.

'It was not the MP’s decision. It was the decision of the police authority after informed risk assessment'

Not his sole decision but his voice will have been heard, obviously.

Bob? Are you talking about Jenrick? Why are you calling him Bob?

England's 'second city' is rather selectively inclusive and diverse it seems.

'It was not the MP’s decision. It was the decision of the police authority after informed risk assessment'

Not his sole decision but his voice will have been heard, obviously.

Are you familiar with Birmingham? England’s second city is inclusive and diverse, has been for generations. As have most British cities.

Honest Bob’s carefully edited video in Handsworth was disingenuous at best. Some might suggest deliberately divisive. Outtakes available online show plenty of white faces. That would be Honest Bob who doesn’t want his children growing up in any sort of ethnic ghetto, Honest Bob who lives in a village in Herefordshire where 165 of 166 residents were white at the last census.

Last time I was at Anfield a disabled man in a wheelchair was removed and banned for making racist chants at a black player

nobody said oh he can’t be racist because he’s disabled. There are horrible people across the board. We can’t start saying people can’t be banned for bad behaviour because they happen to be part of a specific demographic

@MrsSkylerWhite you are very biased - just as others are holding their positions.

Birmingham is really not looking good at the moment - very very scruffy and sad. Certain areas have certainly become very undiverse. And don’t bother with “have you been there?” because I was actually right there two weeks ago .

As for the football - yes, some of the Macabi fans are undoubtedly unpleasant hooligans. But, tell me why the Imam is involved, the MP etc etc. I can tell you at my local derby (which involves huge police presence and fan movement logistics) the local politicians let alone the clergy don’t give a wotsit.

The police in Birmingham were in a difficult position because they clearly received intelligence that things were going to kick off (pun intended) BUT anyone making out it’s JUST about football is simply a liar.

Last time I was at Anfield a disabled man in a wheelchair was removed and banned for making racist chants at a black player

nobody said oh he can’t be racist because he’s disabled. There are horrible people across the board. We can’t start saying people can’t be banned for bad behaviour because they happen to be part of a specific demographic

Your question below, @1dayatatime, would be funny if this wasn’t so serious. It’s akin to “so, what did the romans ever do for us?”
You're basically saying, so apart from evidence of extreme violence from this group, the most recent yesterday, what actual evidence of extreme violence from this group do you have.”

Read what you said again and think about it

”So other than the fact that there was violence at a Tel Aviv game this weekend, that happened after the initial decision and statement was made by WMP, what "evidence" do you have to support the claim that it's purely down to football hooliganism”.

At this point, even though no-one in authority has claimed it was purely down to hooliganism (isn’t that enough, FGS?!) but a consideration of a situation in the round, it pretty obviously is.

Reverse the question. Do you want to allow a group of violent thugs into the UK “because” they are Jewish to make some sort of political point? Substitute Muslim, disabled people, gay people, far-right, far-left, any group of your choice who feels under pressure and discriminated against in the UK right now. Heaven knows, there are plenty to choose from. Makes no sense whatsoever, does it?

@MrsSkylerWhite you are very biased - just as others are holding their positions.

Birmingham is really not looking good at the moment - very very scruffy and sad. Certain areas have certainly become very undiverse. And don’t bother with “have you been there?” because I was actually right there two weeks ago .

As for the football - yes, some of the Macabi fans are undoubtedly unpleasant hooligans. But, tell me why the Imam is involved, the MP etc etc. I can tell you at my local derby (which involves huge police presence and fan movement logistics) the local politicians let alone the clergy don’t give a wotsit.

The police in Birmingham were in a difficult position because they clearly received intelligence that things were going to kick off (pun intended) BUT anyone making out it’s JUST about football is simply a liar.

Look if you are not prepared to acknowledge the violence and racism from the MTA fans not sure there's much more to say really.

Hmmm because the violence and hate crimes that occurred in Amsterdam were condemned as anti semitism by the Amsterdam Mayor, Dutch PM and Dutch King.

Or are you suggesting that the Amsterdam Mayor, Dutch PM and Dutch King were wrong and that it had nothing to do with anti semitism and just to do with football hooliganism?

I agree, @AppleStrudel16 .
The Aston Villa fans should be allowed to watch their team play. It would be unfair on the team to ban them, too.

My apologies, I quoted the wrong person.
That was in reply to this post:

Gloriia · Today 10:49
'Yeah but no but the poor villa fans!' Conveniently ignoring the fact that the other teams fans aren't all 'thugs'.
Perhaps this could be an opportunity for Birmingham on how to be inclusive and diverse? They could maybe get someone employed to educate the MP and his pals

huh?

Im saying to the person who suggested that the game should be played behind closed doors that they’re just wrong.

'Yeah but no but the poor villa fans!' Conveniently ignoring the fact that the other teams fans aren't all 'thugs'.

Perhaps this could be an opportunity for Birmingham on how to be inclusive and diverse? They could maybe get someone employed to educate the MP and his pals.

Are you familiar with Birmingham? England’s second city is inclusive and diverse, has been for generations. As have most British cities.

Honest Bob’s carefully edited video in Handsworth was disingenuous at best. Some might suggest deliberately divisive. Outtakes available online show plenty of white faces. That would be Honest Bob who doesn’t want his children growing up in any sort of ethnic ghetto, Honest Bob who lives in a village in Herefordshire where 165 of 166 residents were white at the last census.

But that isn’t how football works, nor has it ever been.

The old firm has a blanket ban on away fans.

Why should Villa be punished and miss out on revenue etc because the opposition they’ve been drawn against has a fanbase that’s violent?

'So if as you say the decision to ban MTA fans from the Aston game was purely due to football hooliganism and not based on nationality, religion or other grounds then why didn't the West Midlands Police statement just say that? And why did a local MP campaign to have them banned because they were Israeli'

Why indeed. There is such desperate sweeping under the carpet of the MPs very shit petition whilst desperately focusing on 'The Hooligans'.

We see you.

'Yeah but no but the poor villa fans!' Conveniently ignoring the fact that the other teams fans aren't all 'thugs'.

Perhaps this could be an opportunity for Birmingham on how to be inclusive and diverse? They could maybe get someone employed to educate the MP and his pals.

'So if as you say the decision to ban MTA fans from the Aston game was purely due to football hooliganism and not based on nationality, religion or other grounds then why didn't the West Midlands Police statement just say that? And why did a local MP campaign to have them banned because they were Israeli'

Why indeed. There is such desperate sweeping under the carpet of the MPs very shit petition whilst desperately focusing on 'The Hooligans'.

We see you.

Play behind closed doors. Blanket fairness/unfairness and everyone is safe.