Why would would you still have pro Palestinian marches apart from now instilling more fear into the Jewish community

Thank you for such a clear post explaining the undeniable impact. Not only do the marches continue in the face of being told how Jewish people feel but they are defiant in dismissing the fears of the community. Its unforgivable.

Why do you not listen @FreedomandPeace ?
And by the way nobody said the march was 'solely' for the purpose of anything. You slipped that word in yourself.

I think what's super gross is that many, many people have been telling the marchers that they find these sorts of chants and signs to be problematic. So even if the intent was nothing malicious, the impact has been. And the marchers don't care.

It's not for one group of people to tell another group of people what is or isn't offensive to them. Particularly a group that is as much a minority as the British Jewish community with a very troubling history and plenty of reasons to be worried. If the feedback is 'this is really upsetting' and your feedback to that is 'oh, we didn't mean it to be offensive so it's your fault for being offended' that's a really odd thing to say.

Of course I actually think the intent is exactly what it says on the tin, but I do keep wondering about the people who keep posting here about how I 'shouldn't' be upset by it because they mean it in some other (unclear) way.

The word 'intifada' is triggering to my entire community and mostly used by terrorists who want me dead. Whatever it's original meaning, it means something else altogether now.

The CR analysis is a flawed methodology according to these sources.

The research paper can be downloaded without an account and it is pretty comprehensive in its explanation.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5262635

Abstract:

Recent years have seen increased interest in multi-list capture-recapture (CR) statistical modelling for estimating population sizes. This Research Note applies a sophisticated CR method to estimate unrecorded deaths in the ongoing Gaza war. Another recent CR analysis by Jamaluddine et al. (JEA) claimed that the Gaza Ministry of Health (MoH) underestimated the actual death toll by 41%, implying that tens of thousands of fatalities were not included. They estimated that, during the first three months of the war, the true death toll was 2.3 times that reported by the MoH. However, other researchers argued that the analysis relied on two of three fatality lists that showed extreme statistical dependence, raising serious concerns about the estimate's validity. We demonstrate that the CR method used by JEA is, in fact, robust to such dependency. Nonetheless, their study suffers from serious data quality issues, particularly regarding one list of casualties scraped from social media. Data matching issues with this list massively inflate their estimate of the total death toll. In summary, CR analysis finds no evidence that the MoH underestimated the death toll in Gaza. We also note that any pre-existing unreliability of the casualty lists is not remedied by applying CR methods.

This article explains it in a simpler format. You can refute the actual source, which I have found reliable, but unless you actually read it you can’t really refute the information in it.

honestreporting.com/680000-dead-in-gaza-social-media-eats-up-nonsensical-analysis/

No proof
and if a march was solely for the purpose of hate speech there would have been mass arrests

All marches have a police presence
We would have definitely heard of it

Here’s one of their studies and how the Capture Recapture model works @TicklishMauveSquid

Traumatic injury mortality in the Gaza Strip from Oct 7, 2023, to June 30, 2024: a capture–recapture analysis
Zeina Jamaluddine, PhDa,b [email protected] ∙ Hanan Abukmail, MDa,c ∙ Sarah Aly, DOa,d ∙ Prof Oona M R Campbell, PhDa ∙ Prof Francesco Checchi, PhDa
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Summary
Background

Accurate mortality estimates help quantify and memorialise the impact of war. We used multiple data sources to estimate deaths due to traumatic injury in the Gaza Strip between Oct 7, 2023, and June 30, 2024.

Methods
We used a three-list capture–recapture analysis using data from Palestinian Ministry of Health (MoH) hospital lists, an MoH online survey, and social media obituaries.
After imputing missing values, we fitted alternative generalised linear models to the three lists' overlap structure, with each model representing different possible dependencies among lists and including covariates predictive of the probability of being listed; we averaged the models to estimate the true number of deaths in the analysis period (Oct 7, 2023, to June 30, 2024).

Resulting annualised age-specific and sex-specific mortality rates were compared with mortality in 2022.

Findings
We estimated 64 260 deaths (95% CI tel:55%E2%80%89298%E2%80%9378%E2%80%89525 55 298–78 525) due to traumatic injury during the study period, suggesting the Palestinian MoH under-reported mortality by 41%.

The annualised crude death rate was 39·3 per 1000 people (95% CI 35·7–49·4), representing a rate ratio of 14·0 (95% CI 12·8–17·6) compared with all-cause mortality in 2022, even when ignoring non-injury excess mortality.

Women, children (aged <18 years), and older people (aged ≥65 years) accounted for 16 699 (59·1%) of the 28 257 deaths for which age and sex data were available.

Interpretation
Our findings show an exceptionally high mortality rate in the Gaza Strip during the period studied. These results underscore the urgent need for interventions to prevent further loss of life and illuminate important patterns in the conduct of the war.

Has this lovely gentleman been arrested yet?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-3529339/Video-Oxford-student-shouts-zios-ground-protest.html

Well, maybe the protesters pp was talking about are also being investigated.
It just sounded like you didn’t believe her? Why not?

That guy was

• at a London protest
• the march in London was not in support of his hate speech
• its documented and the police are, quite rightly, investigating

That has nothing to do with the post I was responding to

Has this lovely gentleman been arrested yet?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-3529339/Video-Oxford-student-shouts-zios-ground-protest.html

I would agree with this.

Protesting needs to be about removing hamas if anything.
I am pro palestine as in wanting the bloodshed to stop, now hamas needs to go, they've been starving their people too, many have muscle tone and big stomachs while emancipation DC died, many of the adults, teenagers don't look like they've been through a famine.
I'm sure ordinary citizens were starved.

Presumably they’ll all have been arrested as it
constitutes hate speech and the flags constitutes support of a terrorist organisation
Especially as you say the march was for that purpose

Nothing in the news on that
No mass arrests
No sea of images etc to that effect
Nothing at all !!!

Wierd that

I didn't take photographs because I was genuinely frightened for my safety. A group of protestors were chanting "Gaza Gaza make us proud, the Zionists go in the ground" and waving Hamas (not Palestinian flags). Believe what you will, I know what I saw and what they meant. I know how frightened we were.

I didn't take photographs because I was genuinely frightened for my safety. A group of protestors were chanting "Gaza Gaza make us proud, the Zionists go in the ground" and waving Hamas (not Palestinian flags). Believe what you will, I know what I saw and what they meant. I know how frightened we were.

I’m sure you know full well the meaning is controversial and has different meanings to different people
I place no priority over either

but in the spirit of support I’ve googled it for you

I just worry this will become some sort of permanent feature of British cultural landscape unless people call it out. There is no excuse about calling for an end to a war now a peace has been agreed. The nature of the marches will become worse as the focus will be more about 'anti zionism' i.e. a call for the eradication of Israel.

I feel there is certainly a sense of defeat by all those that supported the Palestinian cause and that bitterness could lay the foundations of a nasty virulent form of anti semtism which some will allow because of 'but Gaza'.

Man who chanted 'put the Zios in the ground' is Oxford student https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15190599/Man-chanted-Zios-ground-pro-Palestine-protest-Balliol-College-Oxford-student.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton
Hate indeed.
An Oxford student. How vile.

Thanks for that link as I don’t do Twitter etc.

Thats not about a march for
the destruction of Israel
or
the murder of Jews

So still no evidence yet

Please explain what 'globalise the intifada means'?

What is wrong with these people?! The keffiyeh of course in place, the hate and bile spouted so very excitedly.

I hope he is arrested, that is surely inciting hate and violence. No doubt he'll waaah about social media bullying and his mummy will release a statement to leave him alone. Ugh.

Thanks for that link as I don’t do Twitter etc.

Thats not about a march for
the destruction of Israel
or
the murder of Jews

So still no evidence yet