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Why would would you still have pro Palestinian marches apart from now instilling more fear into the Jewish community

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mids2019 · 14/10/2025 04:21

Now we have what looks like a peace to be celebrated why are people still going to march for Palestine? The genocide has stopped in their opinion so shouldn't they be at least joyful or if that is not the case what do they really want? Do they want to keep marching until the Israeli state is no more?

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 14/10/2025 19:06

Gloriia · 14/10/2025 18:57

'UNRWA and The Lancet estimate tens of thousands of children under six are acutely malnourished'

Yes I think we've all agreed that malnourishment will be a problem in a warzone due to shortages it's your asserion that 'lots' of babies have died of starvation that has not been proved. As i said Fletcher had to retract a similar comment.

Edited

some of the babies and children who have died of starvation are listed here:

https://www.thedailyfile.org/forcibly-involved

Forcibly Invovled | The Daily File

This is the concentrated report of the numerical data in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, showing the number of fatalities, wounded, arrested, displaced persons, demolitions, clashes with the Israeli army and police, Palestinian resistance actions, coloni...

https://www.thedailyfile.org/forcibly-involved

Gloriia · 14/10/2025 19:04

Twiglets1 · 14/10/2025 18:55

Decent people have empathy for Jewish people feeling intimidated by what is going on at some of the demonstrations too.

They don't have much of a voice as such a minority group in the UK but are still important to listen to.

I cannot imagine what it must be like for Jews with all this intifada crap going on in this country. How awful for that antisemite to be screeching about the 'zios'.

It's all so very disturbing.

SharonEllis · 14/10/2025 19:02

FreedomandPeace · 14/10/2025 18:52

Decent people have empathy for the suffering of those in Gaza
Decent people have a right to their freedom of speech

Only Authoritarians try to shut that down

You could choose not to join marches that intimidate a minority.

Reasonable societies control incitement and intimidation and its not authoritarian to do so. Noone has the right not to be offended but again you can choose not to participate in offensive and intimidatory behaviour.

The marchers are showing a shocking lack of empathy and their defiance in asserting their rights, to no tangible purpose other than to intimidate, is disturbing and inflaming community tension.

Gloriia · 14/10/2025 18:57

'UNRWA and The Lancet estimate tens of thousands of children under six are acutely malnourished'

Yes I think we've all agreed that malnourishment will be a problem in a warzone due to shortages it's your asserion that 'lots' of babies have died of starvation that has not been proved. As i said Fletcher had to retract a similar comment.

Twiglets1 · 14/10/2025 18:55

FreedomandPeace · 14/10/2025 18:52

Decent people have empathy for the suffering of those in Gaza
Decent people have a right to their freedom of speech

Only Authoritarians try to shut that down

Decent people have empathy for Jewish people feeling intimidated by what is going on at some of the demonstrations too.

They don't have much of a voice as such a minority group in the UK but are still important to listen to.

FreedomandPeace · 14/10/2025 18:52

SharonEllis · 14/10/2025 17:46

And the police have made atrocious decisions in allowing so much of that sort of incitement to violence against women. What has that got to do with what we're talking about? You have a choice to join a protest calling for violence against women. A decent person would not take part even if they did not wish to incite violence themselves. The same applies to the many thousand who walk alongside those calling for violence against Jews and 'innocently' chant things they don't really understand. Ignorance is no longer an excuse.

Decent people have empathy for the suffering of those in Gaza
Decent people have a right to their freedom of speech

Only Authoritarians try to shut that down

FreedomandPeace · 14/10/2025 18:42

SharonEllis · 14/10/2025 17:28

You say the things we have all seen & heard have not happened because there were not 'mass arrests'. But you are so incurious as not to look into this further. Not to look into the well documented cases of open hate speech that have not been prosecuted. And you're clear you don't care.

A Jewish person has come on to explain what happens and how it impacts her community. You are very clear that you don't care.

Its useful for everyone to see this exchange.

Your comments are very rude

I have not said I don’t care
I have not said I don’t investigate and in fact I looked extensively on Local and National news to see if a demo in Manchester fell within the comments the pp made. My searching picked up on images within social media none of which indicated the march pp described

Your inflammatory speak regarding my personal thoughts are similar to Trumps lies
to garner favour, support and agreement from others

They are false and used often on these threads

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 14/10/2025 18:40

@Gloriia - Putting aside the fact that babies and children with pre-existing conditions don’t count in your eyes. (One of the ‘pre-existing’ conditions is being dairy intolerant for god sake. My youngest had to have milk free formula- should she have just died first because I couldn’t access specific formula?)

There’s lots of documented evidence that previously healthy children in Gaza have died from starvation. Hospitals have reported children with no underlying conditions succumbing to malnutrition. I can name some of them for you:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/philosophyreligionspirituality/5383956-one-child-a-day-remembering-gazas-children?page=1

https://www.thedailyfile.org/forcibly-involved

UNRWA and The Lancet estimate tens of thousands of children under six are acutely malnourished, many severely. WHO data also shows record-high acute malnutrition among under-fives, with dozens of deaths already this year. This is the direct result of the blockade and ongoing conflict, not pre-existing medical conditions.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-hospitals-say-kids-without-underlying-health-conditions-now-dying-of-starvation

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/08/almost-55000-children-in-gaza-acutely-malnourished-lancet-study-estimates

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/nearly-12000-children-under-five-gaza-have-acute-malnutrition-says-who-2025-08-07

Almost 55,000 preschool children in Gaza acutely malnourished, Lancet study estimates

Study shows clear link between Israeli aid restrictions and malnutrition among children aged between six months and five years

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/08/almost-55000-children-in-gaza-acutely-malnourished-lancet-study-estimates

noblegiraffe · 14/10/2025 18:31

Here are people celebrating October 7th in Birmingham https://x.com/habibi_uk/status/1974566508178391462?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

Here's a speech in Leeds, calling for the eradication of Israel, getting rid of the Zionist maggots and the establishment of a single Palestinian state. https://x.com/habibi_uk/status/1789631217161093223?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

People marching on the streets of London calling for the army of Mohammed to murder Jews (note the tweet says behead, but the chant is just for general killing of Jews not beheading) https://x.com/lizarosen0000/status/1973829685315534998?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

habibi (@habibi_uk) on X

Today in Birmingham, the Hamas atrocities of 7 October 2023 were justified and cheered. The banner: “Glory to our martyrs and the Palestinian resistance”. It features a red triangle, a symbol of support for Hamas and a swastika for the 21st Century....

https://x.com/habibi_uk/status/1974566508178391462?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

JaneJeffer · 14/10/2025 18:11

Watch the news

inamarina · 14/10/2025 18:03

SharonEllis · 14/10/2025 17:46

And the police have made atrocious decisions in allowing so much of that sort of incitement to violence against women. What has that got to do with what we're talking about? You have a choice to join a protest calling for violence against women. A decent person would not take part even if they did not wish to incite violence themselves. The same applies to the many thousand who walk alongside those calling for violence against Jews and 'innocently' chant things they don't really understand. Ignorance is no longer an excuse.

And the police have made atrocious decisions in allowing so much of that sort of incitement to violence against women.

Yes, I would question whether “cut a terf’s head off gouge a terf’s eyes out” should be covered by freedom of speech.
I definitely wouldn’t welcome such speech being applied to other groups as well as women.

Gloriia · 14/10/2025 17:49

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 14/10/2025 17:39

Misinformation. Lots of babies and children with no medical conditions have died of malnutrition/starvation.

Says who Tom Fletcher the UN person who said 14000 babies would die and had to retract it as it was false?

Gloriia · 14/10/2025 17:48

Chicaontour · 14/10/2025 17:36

The Israeli state have killed more people today and I have also donated to Palestnian causes, MSF etc. I am very vocal of my condembation of the Israeli state and hugely supportive abd appreciative of the Jewish people who stand against genocide.

Terrorists/gangs approaching no go areas told to stop and continued? Well yes what do you expect tea and biscuits?

Meanwhile hamas/any old group continue to murder other hamas members/any old groups. It's a lawless cesspit.

Twiglets1 · 14/10/2025 17:47

Chicaontour · 14/10/2025 17:36

The Israeli state have killed more people today and I have also donated to Palestnian causes, MSF etc. I am very vocal of my condembation of the Israeli state and hugely supportive abd appreciative of the Jewish people who stand against genocide.

IDF soldiers have killed people that crossed the yellow line they had retreated to as per the ceasefire agreement, and didn't respond to being told to move back.

Hamas have not handed the dead hostages back in close to the number they said they would.

Either thing could trigger the ceasefire ending ... let's hope it doesn't.

Let's stick to the subject of this thread. The other things can be debated elsewhere.

SharonEllis · 14/10/2025 17:46

FreedomandPeace · 14/10/2025 17:32

People are doing those things aswell

Many Demonstrations have counter demonstrations whatever the course
We can’t shut down free speech so willingly
Look at the placards with
cut a terfs head off
gouge a terfs eyes out

direct placards calling for killing women.

Have women called for all trans supportive demos to be banned….No

And the police have made atrocious decisions in allowing so much of that sort of incitement to violence against women. What has that got to do with what we're talking about? You have a choice to join a protest calling for violence against women. A decent person would not take part even if they did not wish to incite violence themselves. The same applies to the many thousand who walk alongside those calling for violence against Jews and 'innocently' chant things they don't really understand. Ignorance is no longer an excuse.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 14/10/2025 17:39

Ihatetomatoes · 14/10/2025 08:26

The famine ended pretty quickly. When you see pictures of the famine in many countries it's awful. There were cries of mass starvation for over a year but apart from sad images of children with medical conditions it was thankfully untrue.

Misinformation. Lots of babies and children with no medical conditions have died of malnutrition/starvation.

Chicaontour · 14/10/2025 17:36

Twiglets1 · 14/10/2025 17:27

Ok that's your opinion but seeing as Jewish people in the UK have nothing to do with what is happening in Gaza & you know from MN that they find the protests intimidating, don't you think it's an idea to find a different way to show support?

Like raising money for Palestinian charities or boycotting Israeli products or companies.

The Israeli state have killed more people today and I have also donated to Palestnian causes, MSF etc. I am very vocal of my condembation of the Israeli state and hugely supportive abd appreciative of the Jewish people who stand against genocide.

FreedomandPeace · 14/10/2025 17:32

Twiglets1 · 14/10/2025 17:27

Ok that's your opinion but seeing as Jewish people in the UK have nothing to do with what is happening in Gaza & you know from MN that they find the protests intimidating, don't you think it's an idea to find a different way to show support?

Like raising money for Palestinian charities or boycotting Israeli products or companies.

People are doing those things aswell

Many Demonstrations have counter demonstrations whatever the course
We can’t shut down free speech so willingly
Look at the placards with
cut a terfs head off
gouge a terfs eyes out

direct placards calling for killing women.

Have women called for all trans supportive demos to be banned….No

SharonEllis · 14/10/2025 17:28

FreedomandPeace · 14/10/2025 17:23

I don’t do Twitter x and I’m glad I don’t because I have read they are horrible places for many people.
Reddit I’ve heard too can be much the same

I agree people who post hate speech etc should be charged. I have no idea how that happens I’m not in the police.

Of course everyone should be protected against all hate crimes and everyone who commits them should be arrested.

My comments above don’t relate to those though

You say the things we have all seen & heard have not happened because there were not 'mass arrests'. But you are so incurious as not to look into this further. Not to look into the well documented cases of open hate speech that have not been prosecuted. And you're clear you don't care.

A Jewish person has come on to explain what happens and how it impacts her community. You are very clear that you don't care.

Its useful for everyone to see this exchange.

Twiglets1 · 14/10/2025 17:27

Chicaontour · 14/10/2025 17:22

Because i want to show my support to the Palestinian community and the 61,000 people who were massacred in an orchaestrated genocide which was live streamed to the world with little real consequences. I abhor Hanas and i despise the Israeli genocidists

Ok that's your opinion but seeing as Jewish people in the UK have nothing to do with what is happening in Gaza & you know from MN that they find the protests intimidating, don't you think it's an idea to find a different way to show support?

Like raising money for Palestinian charities or boycotting Israeli products or companies.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 14/10/2025 17:27

inamarina · 14/10/2025 16:34

Me too, in principle.. How would one remove them though? At the moment, they seem to be the ones removing everyone standing in their way.

Foreign Troops will have to go in and physically chase them out, like the Taliban.
It was good while it lasted, unfortunately break away terror groups rule in the ME.

Mildorado · 14/10/2025 17:24

defrazzled · 14/10/2025 17:17

@FreedomandPeace is is weird, there was Police presence and they did nothing.
There is horrific Anti-Semitic messages posted daily on X but no one is arrested.
Why is this happening in the UK?
Everyone I know who lives near Manchester, Bolton, Bury, Rochdale, Halifax, Huddersfield and Bradford see this regularly and no one is ever arrested.
I do not know where you live but I know what is happening here and it is terrifying. The only Orthadox Jews I know have left the area.
Believe what you want, it doesn't matter to me but I will not lie to make MN readers comfortable.

I live in one of these areas and have become very concerned. I think it's escalated into a really serious issue.

FreedomandPeace · 14/10/2025 17:23

defrazzled · 14/10/2025 17:17

@FreedomandPeace is is weird, there was Police presence and they did nothing.
There is horrific Anti-Semitic messages posted daily on X but no one is arrested.
Why is this happening in the UK?
Everyone I know who lives near Manchester, Bolton, Bury, Rochdale, Halifax, Huddersfield and Bradford see this regularly and no one is ever arrested.
I do not know where you live but I know what is happening here and it is terrifying. The only Orthadox Jews I know have left the area.
Believe what you want, it doesn't matter to me but I will not lie to make MN readers comfortable.

I don’t do Twitter x and I’m glad I don’t because I have read they are horrible places for many people.
Reddit I’ve heard too can be much the same

I agree people who post hate speech etc should be charged. I have no idea how that happens I’m not in the police.

Of course everyone should be protected against all hate crimes and everyone who commits them should be arrested.

My comments above don’t relate to those though

Chicaontour · 14/10/2025 17:22

Because i want to show my support to the Palestinian community and the 61,000 people who were massacred in an orchaestrated genocide which was live streamed to the world with little real consequences. I abhor Hanas and i despise the Israeli genocidists

Mildorado · 14/10/2025 17:19

@PurpleThistle7 thank you for that, and I'm sorry that this has made you fearful in your own country. You make some good points and I get really frustrated at how some people excuse some of the behaviour, chanting and placards at these events.
It's not about curtailing free speech or telling people to "shut up". It's about the participants respecting the difference between peaceful and hateful protest, and how their behaviour impacts others.