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What was the purpose of this level of destruction?

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Stripes56 · 12/10/2025 22:47

Gazans are returning to their homes and are horrified to see the level of destruction. Their joy mixed with despair.

www.timesofisrael.com/gazans-joy-over-ceasefire-tempered-by-shock-as-they-return-to-destroyed-homes/

We can feel joy that the hostages are returning home, relief that Hamas will be sidelined - but how do we reconcile with the death and destruction that has happened in Gaza?

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DrPrunesqualer · 13/10/2025 17:46

Of the others with a higher % civilian death rate
Two ie Rwanda and Srebrenica were a genocide and
The siege of Mariupol speaks for itself

But if Israeli war supporters want to be proud they come fourth behind two genocides and a massacre I suppose they’ve got to cling on to something

pro Israeli supporters posting on here don’t want to recognise Gaza as a genocide or a massacre so ….

What was the purpose of this level of destruction?
Martymcfly24 · 13/10/2025 17:45

Pasly · 13/10/2025 17:37

Like I previously said... Most of us don't have such simplistic childish views of things.

Agree. To put all the blame on one group shows a complete misunderstanding of the history of the region and the governance of Palestine prior to October 7th.

Shellyash · 13/10/2025 17:40

Pasly · 13/10/2025 17:37

Like I previously said... Most of us don't have such simplistic childish views of things.

Lol. Childish hamas ok.

Pasly · 13/10/2025 17:37

Shellyash · 13/10/2025 17:27

Hamas are ultimately responsible for the destruction of their people and their country.
Without hamas none of this would have happened.

Like I previously said... Most of us don't have such simplistic childish views of things.

Puppycrate · 13/10/2025 17:29

Bigpinksweater · 13/10/2025 14:43

What are your thoughts on Mohamed Hamdan Dagalo?

I don’t know enough to say I will go and research this person

Gloriia · 13/10/2025 17:28

BluntPlumHam · 13/10/2025 17:25

Like all previous threads on this topic the last couple of pages end up with the same old people trying to convince everyone that the Palestinians are to blame for their own demise. This is precisely why the protests won’t stop. End the apartheid and the occupation is the only way forward.

Hamas are to blame.

The protests won't stop because some look on it like a hobby sadly. They should try knitting.

Shellyash · 13/10/2025 17:27

Pasly · 13/10/2025 17:20

No one really wants to hear that hamas are the baddies
Any evidence to back up your claim that people here don't view Hamas as "baddies"?(sticking to your juvenile language).

I don't think anyone here supports Hamas and is not aware that they are evil terrorists. However that does not mean we blindly support Netanyahu and the IDF genocidal actions in Gaza. Most of us don't have such simplistic childish views of things.

Hamas are ultimately responsible for the destruction of their people and their country.
Without hamas none of this would have happened.

BluntPlumHam · 13/10/2025 17:25

Like all previous threads on this topic the last couple of pages end up with the same old people trying to convince everyone that the Palestinians are to blame for their own demise. This is precisely why the protests won’t stop. End the apartheid and the occupation is the only way forward.

Pasly · 13/10/2025 17:23

The only gaslighting I have seen today is Trump standing up in the knesset and referring to Netanyahu as a man of peace. Very disturbing

beanbaggirs · 13/10/2025 17:21

@TomeTome do you think they struggle to accept what us adults did? Do you think they find it easy or hard?

Pasly · 13/10/2025 17:20

Shellyash · 13/10/2025 17:10

Juggleit, you will really wind people up on here, no one really wants to hear that hamas are the baddies and IDF are fighting terrorists. Israel set out to destroy hamas and no one will never know how many deaths were caused by hamas. Hamas are ultimately responsible for the destruction of their people and their country.

No one really wants to hear that hamas are the baddies
Any evidence to back up your claim that people here don't view Hamas as "baddies"?(sticking to your juvenile language).

I don't think anyone here supports Hamas and is not aware that they are evil terrorists. However that does not mean we blindly support Netanyahu and the IDF genocidal actions in Gaza. Most of us don't have such simplistic childish views of things.

TomeTome · 13/10/2025 17:19

beanbaggirs · 13/10/2025 17:14

Today's children will have to accept as adults what their parents did. It won't be easy.

Do Uk dc even think about the War on Terror?

Yes, in fact they discuss it in school so I would imagine it’s fairly universally known.

beanbaggirs · 13/10/2025 17:17

Studies have already shown the % level of civilians murdered by Israel in Gaza in the last two years exceeds all other wars

Didn't the war on Terror kill more than 350k civilians?

JacknDiane · 13/10/2025 17:15

DrPrunesqualer · 13/10/2025 01:18

It will be in that paper Propaganda news 🤣🤣

< goes off to check YouTube >

Here it is. It’s entitled

‘How to convince myself Israel aren’t to Blame’. Check it out there’s even a long section advising mumsnetters on derailing aswell

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True 🤣

beanbaggirs · 13/10/2025 17:14

Today's children will have to accept as adults what their parents did. It won't be easy.

Do Uk dc even think about the War on Terror?

Martymcfly24 · 13/10/2025 17:14

DrPrunesqualer · 13/10/2025 17:09

Oh
Outright
Again and again and again for years now

Its heated up a lot again since the ceasefire agreement
I try to fact check as much as I can but I think most of us remember a lot of the lies of the past

I noticed that.

It's like just saying something makes it true .

And putting something in quotation marks makes it true too....

Gloriia · 13/10/2025 17:13

'no one really wants to hear that hamas are the baddies and IDF are fighting terrorists. Israel set out to destroy hamas and no one will never know how many deaths were caused by hamas. Hamas are ultimately responsible for the destruction of their people and their country.'

So true. But it's all 'lies' apparently.

Shellyash · 13/10/2025 17:10

juggleit · 13/10/2025 00:45

Israel are damned either way - people will find the evidence they are looking for - and this is mostly evidence provided by a death cult - I don't think the dots have been fully joined up by those opposing Isreal.
Just for context in relation to the percentage of murdered civilians during the Hamas slaughter, the equivalent death toll would be 8,000 people slaughtered in the UK. How would be all react to that one then?

THIS fact alone is why I support Israel to retaliate, with ‘MILiTARY’ action to defend itself and protect its borders and civilians.

Juggleit, you will really wind people up on here, no one really wants to hear that hamas are the baddies and IDF are fighting terrorists. Israel set out to destroy hamas and no one will never know how many deaths were caused by hamas. Hamas are ultimately responsible for the destruction of their people and their country.

DrPrunesqualer · 13/10/2025 17:09

Martymcfly24 · 13/10/2025 17:06

I thought that I was genuinely googling it because I remember thinking there was no independent autopsy.

Fascinating how posters can so confidently post complete lies

Oh
Outright
Again and again and again for years now

Its heated up a lot again since the ceasefire agreement
I try to fact check as much as I can but I think most of us remember a lot of the lies of the past

DrPrunesqualer · 13/10/2025 17:06

Martymcfly24 · 13/10/2025 16:56

She does skits on Tik Tok and posted one with a Keffiyeh and a "dead baby" then pretended the cameras had stopped rolling and threw the baby away to claim it's all propaganda.
There's also accounts that flick lights on and off and turn on taps to mock the lack of electricity and water in Gaza.

Obviously a market for them.

I’d have no respect for people that watch that sort of crap except to see ‘whats all this crap about’…..

to think, I’m guessing some idiots buy into that aswell 😳

Martymcfly24 · 13/10/2025 17:06

DrPrunesqualer · 13/10/2025 17:02

Unfortunately the children were not handed over by Israel for an independent autopsy
The previous poster is completely wrong there
Israel did an autopsy, they say

So the results obviously cannot be trusted at all.

apologies for the derail OP

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I thought that I was genuinely googling it because I remember thinking there was no independent autopsy.

Fascinating how posters can so confidently post complete lies

Bigpinksweater · 13/10/2025 17:05

Mischance · 13/10/2025 17:04

Looking for a logical purpose in this sort of behaviour is fruitless.

If logic and brutality are negatively correlated then surely there was no purpose to Hiroshima?

Mischance · 13/10/2025 17:04

Looking for a logical purpose in this sort of behaviour is fruitless.

DrPrunesqualer · 13/10/2025 17:02

Martymcfly24 · 13/10/2025 16:26

Who were the international experts who said that about the Bibas children?

Unfortunately the children were not handed over by Israel for an independent autopsy
The previous poster is completely wrong there
Israel did an autopsy, they say

So the results obviously cannot be trusted at all.

apologies for the derail OP

Gloriia · 13/10/2025 16:57

'I am so confused by this post. Who was not allowing independent press into Gaza? Eh Israel. Why was all you claim hidden from us by Israel?'

Because they knew they'd get abducted and or murdered and expect the IDF to assist.

It would surely have been in Israel's interest to have neutral reporters in there, rather than some believing everything activist doctors or hamas own reporters spouted.

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