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What was the purpose of this level of destruction?

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Stripes56 · 12/10/2025 22:47

Gazans are returning to their homes and are horrified to see the level of destruction. Their joy mixed with despair.

www.timesofisrael.com/gazans-joy-over-ceasefire-tempered-by-shock-as-they-return-to-destroyed-homes/

We can feel joy that the hostages are returning home, relief that Hamas will be sidelined - but how do we reconcile with the death and destruction that has happened in Gaza?

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Stripes56 · 19/10/2025 08:30

I didn’t listen to the radio yesterday but always do so on week days- it is good to know that news on BBC at least continues to cover what is happening in the region. So do the online news sources - including in the states.

There will continue be strong interest in what is happening here- not least as Trump and his SIL have a strong interest in this too.

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Stripes56 · 19/10/2025 08:26

HellsBalls · 19/10/2025 08:12

@Stripes56 ’We can’t take our eyes off what is happening in Gaza.’

I listen to the radio almost constantly, flitting between talk and news shows. Yesterday Gaza wasn’t the topic on any radio show.

’It is hard to imagine how Gazans will rebuild their lives in the ruins that Israel has left them.’

Their government should have anticipated this. Before the genocidal attack of October 7th, Israel rarely did any major destruction in Gaza, despite the constant missile attacks. But that’s terrorists for you.
Gaza will again receive billions in aid and support. And still they will bitch about the unfairness of it all.

I disagree with you - no one could have anticipated this level of destruction - although many were concerned about what Israel would do following on from 7/10 given their past actions.

Do you think Netanyahu and his government anticipated that they would do this - or be allowed to do this- immediately after 7/10?

And if Netanyahu’s government did immediately anticipate this - what does that say about their intent to systematically destroy infrastructure?

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Bigpinksweater · 19/10/2025 08:14

Stripes56 · 19/10/2025 07:16

It is hard to imagine how Gazans will rebuild their lives in the ruins that Israel has left them.

There is so much work to do.

We can’t take our eyes off what is happening in Gaza. I can understand why some people will want to continue to show their solidarity with Palestinians - whether it be wearing a keffiyeh or continue to march

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/18/its-like-a-nuclear-bomb-has-hit-shocked-palestinians-return-home-to-desolation

The same way Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya did presumably. Syria is still a wreck.

HellsBalls · 19/10/2025 08:12

@Stripes56 ’We can’t take our eyes off what is happening in Gaza.’

I listen to the radio almost constantly, flitting between talk and news shows. Yesterday Gaza wasn’t the topic on any radio show.

’It is hard to imagine how Gazans will rebuild their lives in the ruins that Israel has left them.’

Their government should have anticipated this. Before the genocidal attack of October 7th, Israel rarely did any major destruction in Gaza, despite the constant missile attacks. But that’s terrorists for you.
Gaza will again receive billions in aid and support. And still they will bitch about the unfairness of it all.

Stripes56 · 19/10/2025 07:16

Pasly · 17/10/2025 15:49

For them to rule themselves as you see fit. And this is it

Don't be ridiculous this is it not it, is it? Do you honestly believe law and order, government institutions, schools, hospitals universities, civil society, housing, economy etc would miraculously appear overnight once there was a ceasefire. You're talking nonsense

This is what you wanted
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It is hard to imagine how Gazans will rebuild their lives in the ruins that Israel has left them.

There is so much work to do.

We can’t take our eyes off what is happening in Gaza. I can understand why some people will want to continue to show their solidarity with Palestinians - whether it be wearing a keffiyeh or continue to march

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/18/its-like-a-nuclear-bomb-has-hit-shocked-palestinians-return-home-to-desolation

‘It’s like a nuclear bomb has hit’: shocked Palestinians return home to desolation

Families are going back to Gaza City and surrounds to find their neighbourhoods obliterated, with many forced to camp in the ruins

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/18/its-like-a-nuclear-bomb-has-hit-shocked-palestinians-return-home-to-desolation

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Pasly · 17/10/2025 15:49

Bigpinksweater · 17/10/2025 14:42

Rubbish.

Israel follow a Western framework when there are internal disagreements. They’re a democratic, civilised nation and have freedom of speech and public assembly. Look how many assembled to protest against BN.

Gaza does not follow a Western framework, it follows an Islamic one. This means theocracy, which is an antithesis of democracy and necessitates harsh punishments, enforced religious law and uses this to silence/kill opposition.

This is what you wanted. For them to rule themselves as you see fit. And this is it.

For them to rule themselves as you see fit. And this is it

Don't be ridiculous this is it not it, is it? Do you honestly believe law and order, government institutions, schools, hospitals universities, civil society, housing, economy etc would miraculously appear overnight once there was a ceasefire. You're talking nonsense

This is what you wanted
You don't know anything about me so don't claim you know what I want!

Pasly · 17/10/2025 15:43

EmpressoftheMundane · 17/10/2025 14:11

The Israelis aren’t turning on each other. You may not like it, but objectively, the Palestinians are. It doesn’t make them less human. It makes them less reasonable and less likely to compromise. This is germane. It explains Israel actions in part. How do you protect yourself from people who will do tjis to their own?

Hamas and militia gangs are, ordinary Palestinians are not turning on each other stop making things up. Law and order and the social fabric of Gaza has completely broken down. Why are you comparing what is happening in Israel to what is happening in Gaza? Have you looked at any footage of Gaza?

Bigpinksweater · 17/10/2025 14:42

Pasly · 17/10/2025 13:13

Agreed. Blatant attempt to dehumanise Palestinians. "Look how civilized the Israeli's are in comparison"

Rubbish.

Israel follow a Western framework when there are internal disagreements. They’re a democratic, civilised nation and have freedom of speech and public assembly. Look how many assembled to protest against BN.

Gaza does not follow a Western framework, it follows an Islamic one. This means theocracy, which is an antithesis of democracy and necessitates harsh punishments, enforced religious law and uses this to silence/kill opposition.

This is what you wanted. For them to rule themselves as you see fit. And this is it.

EmpressoftheMundane · 17/10/2025 14:11

The Israelis aren’t turning on each other. You may not like it, but objectively, the Palestinians are. It doesn’t make them less human. It makes them less reasonable and less likely to compromise. This is germane. It explains Israel actions in part. How do you protect yourself from people who will do tjis to their own?

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Pasly · 17/10/2025 13:13

Dagda · 17/10/2025 12:42

That is complete nonsense. There are loads of photos of Palestinian prisoners being greeted by their families also.

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c7516x2zy6ko

Agreed. Blatant attempt to dehumanise Palestinians. "Look how civilized the Israeli's are in comparison"

Dagda · 17/10/2025 12:42

EmpressoftheMundane · 16/10/2025 10:15

Now we see Hamas executing men from other clans and Israeli’s welcoming the final living hostages home into the arms of their families.

One looks like life and love, the other like horror and death. It makes you wonder if the media diet we’ve had for the last two years has been completely objective.

That is complete nonsense. There are loads of photos of Palestinian prisoners being greeted by their families also.

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c7516x2zy6ko

A Palestinian man embraces his smiling children in Gaza.

Gaza: Freed Palestinian detainee comes home to find family alive

Shadi Abu Sido told the BBC an Israeli prison officer said his family had been killed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c7516x2zy6ko

JacknDiane · 16/10/2025 20:50

EmpressoftheMundane · 16/10/2025 10:15

Now we see Hamas executing men from other clans and Israeli’s welcoming the final living hostages home into the arms of their families.

One looks like life and love, the other like horror and death. It makes you wonder if the media diet we’ve had for the last two years has been completely objective.

Why do you think Israel wouldn't allow any journalists in to report exactly what was happening in Gaza @EmpressoftheMundane?

TomeTome · 16/10/2025 19:59

There are of course many more videos of Palestinians returning home, but then so many more of them have been held by the Israelis.

EmpressoftheMundane · 16/10/2025 10:15

Now we see Hamas executing men from other clans and Israeli’s welcoming the final living hostages home into the arms of their families.

One looks like life and love, the other like horror and death. It makes you wonder if the media diet we’ve had for the last two years has been completely objective.

Bigpinksweater · 16/10/2025 08:17

braceforcorrection · 16/10/2025 08:13

Because I don't know much about this war because I don't care TBH. But I thought Hamas was for the plastines and US whites are the agressesors.

So does half the country and they’re grossly and almost comically mistaken

braceforcorrection · 16/10/2025 08:13

Imdunfer · 16/10/2025 07:56

Are you suggesting it's not true? They did. It is on social media. It was also on the 6 o'clock news and stills were in the papers.

Do you think Hamas are a banned terrorist organisation for no reason?

Judging from this thread, if there's one war Hamas won hands down it's the propaganda war.

Because I don't know much about this war because I don't care TBH. But I thought Hamas was for the plastines and US whites are the agressesors.

Imdunfer · 16/10/2025 07:56

braceforcorrection · 16/10/2025 00:21

Why don't Palestine people put this on social media?

Are you suggesting it's not true? They did. It is on social media. It was also on the 6 o'clock news and stills were in the papers.

Do you think Hamas are a banned terrorist organisation for no reason?

Judging from this thread, if there's one war Hamas won hands down it's the propaganda war.

juggleit · 16/10/2025 03:56

DrPrunesqualer · 16/10/2025 00:15

Yes I was thinking the same

They are over in the sense of their military capability - all their infrastructure has gone. There are obviously a few remaining die hard Hamas fighters left who are turning on the uprising from the Palestinian militias and clans who are anti hamas that have been armed by the IDF. This is perfectly normal practice in a time of war.

The de-radicalisation will commence once this stage of the tidy up programme is completed.
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The stand out point made to me was his emphasis on the Israeli army held responsible for the welfare of the citizens of the the opposing side. He emphatically stated that in all the conflicts around the world, in the last 100 years this has never EVER happened.
Feeding, watering, providing medical care/ including vaccination programmes/ water Infastructure rebuilinding etc - its completely unheard of and yet pro Hamas supporters, continue to acuse Isreal of genocide. It is utter madness!

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braceforcorrection · 16/10/2025 00:23

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 13/10/2025 23:30

That’s it keep repeating the word “genocide”.
Do you feel any better yet.
Do you think if you keep repeating the word it makes it true.

People have no idea what it means

pumpkinscake · 16/10/2025 00:22

braceforcorrection · 16/10/2025 00:20

Will be fine.

You think any of us care what our grandparents did in the war

Yes, I do think people care

braceforcorrection · 16/10/2025 00:21

Imdunfer · 14/10/2025 14:48

Hamas publically executed 8 blindfolded people in Gaza city last night. They rule the Palestinians by fear.

Does anyone really believe they didn't know exactly what they were doing using innocent people and innocent people's homes to shield the war machine that was dedicated to eradicating the Israeli population?
.

Why don't Palestine people put this on social media?

braceforcorrection · 16/10/2025 00:20

pumpkinscake · 13/10/2025 00:26

As I said on another thread, this will be very traumatic for Israelis. Right now they can live with denial. But time will shine a light on their actions, and truth will out, as it always does with time. Today's children will have to accept as adults what their parents did. It won't be easy.

Will be fine.

You think any of us care what our grandparents did in the war

DrPrunesqualer · 16/10/2025 00:15

JacknDiane · 15/10/2025 23:14

Hamas are gone?

Link please?

Yes I was thinking the same

JacknDiane · 15/10/2025 23:14

juggleit · 15/10/2025 21:19

This conflict was never about Statehood, it was about wiping Israel off the face of the earth.
Hamas are gone - they have lost the war and this point in time will be the best opportunity for the Palestinian’s to build a much better and peaceful future 🕊️🕊️🕊️

Hamas are gone?

Link please?

juggleit · 15/10/2025 21:19

SameOldHill · 12/10/2025 23:53

The level of destruction is due to nearly all buildings having boobie trap bombs planted inside by Hamas.

Unprovable, likely untrue but still no excuse.

Suppose it were true. Bombing was never the answer. Negotiations have always been the only way. Hostages in return for political prisoners held without trial. In return for statehood. Which is what the Palestinians should have been given a long while ago.

If it were Israelis being held in those booby trapped buildings you would be singing a different tune.

This conflict was never about Statehood, it was about wiping Israel off the face of the earth.
Hamas are gone - they have lost the war and this point in time will be the best opportunity for the Palestinian’s to build a much better and peaceful future 🕊️🕊️🕊️