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Stripes56 · 2025-10-12T21:47:23+00:00

Gazans are returning to their homes and are horrified to see the level of destruction. Their joy mixed with despair. https://www.timesofisrael.com/gazans-joy-over-ceasefire-tempered-by-shock-as-they-return-to-destroyed-homes/ We can feel joy that the hostages are returning home, relief that Hamas will be sidelined - but how do we reconcile with the death and destruction that has happened in Gaza?

TicklishMauveSquid · 13/10/2025 08:19

AhWeNoss · 13/10/2025 06:21

It’s extraordinary the extents people will go to in order to deceive themselves that something terrible was justified.

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It’s extraordinary how deliberately uninformed people pretend they are because they don’t want to admit anything that doesn’t fit their narrative.

Look up the reports from military experts who have visited Gaza who have more qualification to give an opinion than anyone on here.

queenofarles · 13/10/2025 08:17

Roughly the equivalent of six Hiroshima bombs were dropped over Gaza,
more than the carpet bombings of Dresden , Hamburg and London combined.

TicklishMauveSquid · 13/10/2025 08:15

Nads0622 · 13/10/2025 04:48

Most of what you’ve written is in accurate and propaganda. How do you explain the fact that many western doctors who are not Muslim and have no connection to Palestine other than the fact that they’ve gone out to help because they are humanitarians have reported seeing children being killed at point blank by the IDF many many times. They’ve seen injuries in children that show they were shot to kill. Many of the doctors who’ve volunteered have seen Israeli drones specifically targeting children and killing them !
take your propaganda into another thread because no one here believes it ! There’s no excuse for a genocide so don’t embarrass yourself

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Can you post links to where ANY Western doctor has said ever said they’ve WITNESSED children being shot by the IDF?

You have the audacity to accuse other people of inaccuracy and propaganda……..

ThatLadyLady · 13/10/2025 07:48

Genocide.

They’re acting like the Palestinians will now just go back to normal. Their entire infrastructure has been destroyed, they won’t be able to rebuild.

Imdunfer · 13/10/2025 07:46

37 people died in Gaza last night as 300 Hamas military attempted to take occupation of a disused hospital building that one of the major Palestinian families had moved into after finding their homes no longer existed.

Hamas is vile, well armed, financed by Iran, and has a declared intent to wipe out Israel completely and people wonder why Israel flatten buildings trying to remove that threat.

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Stripes56 · 13/10/2025 07:39

I am not sure some in Israel want the world to reflect on what’s happened either.

The Israeli Ester propaganda project is focused on influencing people in the states. They are spending vasts amount to influence people to think positively about Israel. What they fear is that they will continue to loose pro-Israeli sentiment in the U.S.

“If this trend continues,” Kirk wrote, “Israel risks losing not only the next generation but the political cover it depends on in Washington.”

www.timesofisrael.com/israels-secret-esther-project-doj-filings-reveal-paid-us-influencer-campaign/

I think we will see a lot of posts explaining why it was all necessary as part of this PR campaign - like in this thread- particularly as more pictures come out of Gaza, and we hear from Palestinians. We may also finally get international journalists into Gaza too. A lot for the Ester project to fight against.

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Stripes56 · 13/10/2025 07:24

DrPrunesqualer · 13/10/2025 04:11

Destruction of Gaza

This article From Le Monde ( sept 2025) gives some insight OP to the purpose behind Israel’s destruction of Gaza

NEWSThe Israeli military has targeted the urban infrastructure of Gaza's largest city to “gain control”and driving a mass exodus
Over the past 10 or so days, the Israeli army has systematically destroyed the urban infrastructure of Gaza's largest city as part of its offensive to seize control.
An IDF officer said it was a gradual process.
For residents, the "gradual" pace was barely noticeable. Instead,

Israel appeared to carry out the threats of Defense Minister Israel Katz, who vowed on September 5 to open "the gates of hell" on Gaza.

Fighter jets, drones and explosive robots unleashed massive bombardments that levelled entire neighbourhoods . At night, explosions lit the sky, the air grew unbreathable and the noise of blasts was deafening

Thank you

Whatever excuses those trying to square the circle in trying to reason the IDF’s actions, the overwhelming impression is of cruel vengeance.

Remember the IDF’s military leads said that there were no more necessary military objectives left many months ago? They didn’t want to go into Gaza city- so they just blitzed it instead.

There seems nothing proportionate about this level of destruction of infrastructure.

Polls in Israel show that Israelis do not share the same level of concerns that others in the world do about what has been happening in Gaza. I agree it’s going to be a slow process, for some, with a lot of denial. I am not sure even if their children will be able to unpick it- as I have read the young are also quite right wing. More so than older generations! As an example-

https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-kids-are-all-right-wing-why-israels-younger-voters-are-more-conservative/

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Nads0622 · 13/10/2025 06:55

HellsBalls · 13/10/2025 06:12

@DrPrunesqualer ‘Destruction of Gaza’

It’s called war. Hamas started it, and everyone is surprised Israel went in hard?

The amount of outrage at the losing side getting a beating is amazing. The amount of indignation that there is now a ceasefire equally so.
The Israelis, and the IDF, can sleep soundly knowing they have minimized civilian casualties in the war against terrorism.

The Pro-Palestinians should be celebrating what the IDF have done to Hamas.

Who started it depends on when you start the clock !

AhWeNoss · 13/10/2025 06:21

juggleit · 12/10/2025 23:35

The level of destruction is due to nearly all buildings having boobie trap bombs planted inside by Hamas.
The safest method to diffuse these was for the IDF to blow them
Up in a controlled approach.
If the IDF had gone building to building and dismantled them one by one the war could of continued for a greater period of time.
Ironically the buildings would of been levelled any way by returning palenstian people.
The lack of military understanding from the by standing Western populations explains why this war is totally misunderstood - ignorance is not a defence.

It’s extraordinary the extents people will go to in order to deceive themselves that something terrible was justified.

DancefloorAcrobatics · 13/10/2025 06:20

The level of destruction is due to nearly all buildings having boobie trap bombs planted inside by Hamas

🤔 That's a lot of dynamite....

FenceBooksCycle · 13/10/2025 06:15

The point was to ensure that when ordinary people tried to return, they would be so overwhelmed by the scale of the destruction that they would give up and apply to go and live in Egypt or Jordan or somewhere else permanently rather than having any hope for rebuilding.

HellsBalls · 13/10/2025 06:12

@DrPrunesqualer ‘Destruction of Gaza’

It’s called war. Hamas started it, and everyone is surprised Israel went in hard?

The amount of outrage at the losing side getting a beating is amazing. The amount of indignation that there is now a ceasefire equally so.
The Israelis, and the IDF, can sleep soundly knowing they have minimized civilian casualties in the war against terrorism.

The Pro-Palestinians should be celebrating what the IDF have done to Hamas.

SameOldHill · 13/10/2025 05:27

Isreal’s military actions are held to such a high level of accountability and scrutiny

Are you kidding me? They haven’t been held to any accountability whatsoever! The US has given them the go ahead and the military to raze Gaza to the ground. Our government has supplied parts for their aircraft as well as surveillance of Palestine.

A few slaps on the wrist every time they go too far and a “don’t worry Israel are investigating themselves”

Please do tell me in what way Israel have been held accountable for Hind Rajab’s death?

Nads0622 · 13/10/2025 04:48

juggleit · 13/10/2025 00:45

Israel are damned either way - people will find the evidence they are looking for - and this is mostly evidence provided by a death cult - I don't think the dots have been fully joined up by those opposing Isreal.
Just for context in relation to the percentage of murdered civilians during the Hamas slaughter, the equivalent death toll would be 8,000 people slaughtered in the UK. How would be all react to that one then?

THIS fact alone is why I support Israel to retaliate, with ‘MILiTARY’ action to defend itself and protect its borders and civilians.

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Most of what you’ve written is in accurate and propaganda. How do you explain the fact that many western doctors who are not Muslim and have no connection to Palestine other than the fact that they’ve gone out to help because they are humanitarians have reported seeing children being killed at point blank by the IDF many many times. They’ve seen injuries in children that show they were shot to kill. Many of the doctors who’ve volunteered have seen Israeli drones specifically targeting children and killing them !
take your propaganda into another thread because no one here believes it ! There’s no excuse for a genocide so don’t embarrass yourself

DrPrunesqualer · 13/10/2025 04:11

Destruction of Gaza

This article From Le Monde ( sept 2025) gives some insight OP to the purpose behind Israel’s destruction of Gaza

NEWSThe Israeli military has targeted the urban infrastructure of Gaza's largest city to “gain control”and driving a mass exodus
Over the past 10 or so days, the Israeli army has systematically destroyed the urban infrastructure of Gaza's largest city as part of its offensive to seize control.
An IDF officer said it was a gradual process.
For residents, the "gradual" pace was barely noticeable. Instead,

Israel appeared to carry out the threats of Defense Minister Israel Katz, who vowed on September 5 to open "the gates of hell" on Gaza.

Fighter jets, drones and explosive robots unleashed massive bombardments that levelled entire neighbourhoods . At night, explosions lit the sky, the air grew unbreathable and the noise of blasts was deafening

What was the purpose of this level of destruction?

DrPrunesqualer · 13/10/2025 02:16

Dagda · 13/10/2025 00:21

I don’t think it will happen for now.

I think it will be brushed under the carpet by this US led peace effort. Trump doesn’t have an interest in human rights, lasting peace…. He wanted the images that were making him look bad to stop coming. There will be no acknowledgement.

Hopefully in the future, with different people involved, there can be an acknowledgment of the enormity of what has happened in Gaza.

Even from an Israeli perspective I was even just thinking while , listening to one of the hostages family on the radio. There is something horrible that I can’t put into words there about the victims of 7/10 and how the Israeli government harnessed that pain and used it for evil basically. Horrific things happened to them and instead of talking about these very awful, very real things. The Israeli government were pushing this narrative of things that did not happen - like the beheaded babies and the burnt children. Like the real painful stories weren’t enough for them or something.

There will be a lot to unpick here by Israeli society generally. But probably not right now.

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I disagree I think countries and organisations will be unpicking and investigating the war crimes
They have a responsibility to do so
The US have no authority in that area

DrPrunesqualer · 13/10/2025 02:10

juggleit · 13/10/2025 00:26

Thank you 🙏

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@TicklishMauveSquid
The Jerusalem post is biased
the Editor was a former policy advisor to Israelis far right Government
They have a moderate level of Freedom to post

Biased reporting

We saw the Israeli bombs stop kidding yourself Israel didn’t cause all the destruction

DrPrunesqualer · 13/10/2025 01:45

juggleit · 13/10/2025 01:09

No, because no military action will ever be 100% right - how can it ever be? No doubt there will be war crimes uncovered as has been always been the case in most wars but these cases are in the minority and not the majority.

Isreal’s military actions are held to such a high level of accountability and scrutiny and yet they fight against a regime that does not ‘engage’ in the ‘rules’ of war and there are many ‘international law contraventions’ that Hamas engage in, including blowing up and shooting its own ‘civilians’ are the most documented ones.😞

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The war crimes will be in the majority. Studies have already shown the % level of civilians murdered by Israel in Gaza in the last two years exceeds all other wars
That information comes from Israel

DrPrunesqualer · 13/10/2025 01:35

CurlyCabbage · 13/10/2025 01:25

So were the children shot by snipers also booby trapped? And the ambulance workers buried alive? Were they also booby trapped? Silly me. I didnt know everyone in Gaza was booby trapped and thus needed to be ‘cleared’ before the surviving people of Gaza could return.

They’ll be telling us next week Israel were just there as a peace keeping force.
Or at least convincing themselves of it

Lies. Lies. Lies.

DrPrunesqualer · 13/10/2025 01:33

Wow there’s a lot of mumsnetters on this thread upset that we’re now seeing whats really been happening all this time
Now whats left of the press are allowed back in
Flooding threads all the time with these lies.

History won’t forget what has happened to Gaza by the bombs and snippers of the IDF.

It shocking that the pro Israeli supporters continue to deflect these threads
Have they no empathy

This is a thread about the state of Gaza ffs
Shame on you posters with your Israeli propaganda

CurlyCabbage · 13/10/2025 01:25

So were the children shot by snipers also booby trapped? And the ambulance workers buried alive? Were they also booby trapped? Silly me. I didnt know everyone in Gaza was booby trapped and thus needed to be ‘cleared’ before the surviving people of Gaza could return.

DrPrunesqualer · 13/10/2025 01:18

JacknDiane · 12/10/2025 23:49

Can you link to that @juggleit?

It will be in that paper Propaganda news 🤣🤣

< goes off to check YouTube >

Here it is. It’s entitled

‘How to convince myself Israel aren’t to Blame’. Check it out there’s even a long section advising mumsnetters on derailing aswell

Yassnass134 · 13/10/2025 01:13

juggleit · 12/10/2025 23:35

The level of destruction is due to nearly all buildings having boobie trap bombs planted inside by Hamas.
The safest method to diffuse these was for the IDF to blow them
Up in a controlled approach.
If the IDF had gone building to building and dismantled them one by one the war could of continued for a greater period of time.
Ironically the buildings would of been levelled any way by returning palenstian people.
The lack of military understanding from the by standing Western populations explains why this war is totally misunderstood - ignorance is not a defence.

We have all witnessed a war on children, healthcare workers and innocent civilians. Our leaders have a lot to answer for. Free Palestine

juggleit · 13/10/2025 01:09

Dagda · 13/10/2025 00:50

Out of interest if it turned out that not every single building was booby trapped , would you change your mind and stop defending the way the military action was conducted?

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No, because no military action will ever be 100% right - how can it ever be? No doubt there will be war crimes uncovered as has been always been the case in most wars but these cases are in the minority and not the majority.

Isreal’s military actions are held to such a high level of accountability and scrutiny and yet they fight against a regime that does not ‘engage’ in the ‘rules’ of war and there are many ‘international law contraventions’ that Hamas engage in, including blowing up and shooting its own ‘civilians’ are the most documented ones.😞

maudelovesharold · 13/10/2025 01:00

Can you imagine if the IDF had left whole areas of Hamas booby trapped buildings and who would be blamed when civilians returned and the inevitable happened?

Oh, I get it now, silly me! What Gazans don’t realise is that the IDF razed their homes to the ground for their own good! Glad you explained that.