Hamas targeting groups and clans in Gaza

So anti semitism does not run unchecked because reported posts are actioned on?

I don’t see that Mumsnet has allowed anti semitism to run unchecked through the site.

Only because people like myself report many anti semitic posts.

Haven't you noticed how many deletions there are on some threads? Not to mention some threads have got removed completely because they were so anti semitic.

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HORRIFIC: Palestinians reported that Hamas executed the two children, Yussef Hassan Abu Ajwa and his brother Zaid Hassan Abu Ajwa, and their mother, Ulfat Jihad Ab Ajwa, because their father, Hassan Ab Ajwa, joined the anti-Hamas militias operating in the Strip.Hamas will break the ceasefire and restart the war.

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Where are all the “ceasefire now” people who were so concerned with Palestinians?

What a silly argument. Antisemitism is so widespread its disseminated on every platform
I mean, we're all here on mumsnet.

But many other international law experts have come to the same conclusion.

Are don’t believe that the UN, aid agencies, human rights organisations both within and outside of Israel and the IAGS are all in cohoots with each other to demonise Israel

@SpaceRaccoon you are claiming there is hatred of Jews on one hand (by human rights organisations and international law experts) and then sharing X links on the other, when it is the biggest platform for spreading antisemitism.

I don’t think the international law experts got “confused “ and thought civilian deaths equal genocide.

I also think there's been a huge agenda at play here. it's no co-incidence that it was South Africa that brought the case to the ICJ, right before a general election where Iran heavily funded the ANC.

Oh that old chestnut rather disproved by Israel's enthusiastic acceptance of the ceasefire and peace plan, and sending in tonnes of aid.

At best, decimating Palestinian society to lead to ethnically cleansing and then resettling the land. At worst genocide primarily by destroying all the basics of life.

I know you think that Hamas are so uniquely awful that Israel couldn’t possibly abide by any rules of war and that civilian death was necessary to make Israel “safe”. But even if we could accept that sometimes civilian life shouldn’t be protected, there is simply too much evidence that Israel had other goals in this war that had nothing to do with Hamas and more to do with, at best, utterly destroying Palestinian society.

As awful as it is, it's not actually illegal or a war crime to have civilian deaths in a war, and I wonder if people misunderstand this point and hence the genocide accusations?
It's not legal to explicity target civilians obviously, but that's viewed separately to collatoral deaths.

That being said, despite the accusations, Israel did in general go to a lot of effort to avoid or minimise civilian casualties by pre-warning the populations to leave areas that were due to be heavily targeted. If you look at the number of deaths relative to the destruction, they were successful at it, too. And also bear in mind that many of those deaths will have been Hamas fighters.

Do you have evidence of the "other goals" of destroying Palestinian society? Because pre 7 October 2023, it was the opposite. More work visas were being issues to Gazans, the security was easing - Hamas took advantage of that in the worst way possible.

I'm still not sure what people actually expected Israel to do after 7 October? Just be like oh well?

What were Israels other goals?

I know you think that Hamas are so uniquely awful that Israel couldn’t possibly abide by any rules of war and that civilian death was necessary to make Israel “safe”. But even if we could accept that sometimes civilian life shouldn’t be protected, there is simply too much evidence that Israel had other goals in this war that had nothing to do with Hamas and more to do with, at best, utterly destroying Palestinian society.

As awful as it is, it's not actually illegal or a war crime to have civilian deaths in a war, and I wonder if people misunderstand this point and hence the genocide accusations?
It's not legal to explicity target civilians obviously, but that's viewed separately to collatoral deaths.

That being said, despite the accusations, Israel did in general go to a lot of effort to avoid or minimise civilian casualties by pre-warning the populations to leave areas that were due to be heavily targeted. If you look at the number of deaths relative to the destruction, they were successful at it, too. And also bear in mind that many of those deaths will have been Hamas fighters.

Do you have evidence of the "other goals" of destroying Palestinian society? Because pre 7 October 2023, it was the opposite. More work visas were being issues to Gazans, the security was easing - Hamas took advantage of that in the worst way possible.

I'm still not sure what people actually expected Israel to do after 7 October? Just be like oh well?

But sure if so many tunnels remain, how was it ever realistic to destroy the tunnels in this manner? According to the US “destroying Hamas” was never a realistic goal of the war and this is an example of why they came to that conclusion.

There are also investigations by newspapers, and human rights organisations that many operations that killed civilians had no stated military goal. And many more that show that civilian deaths were not proportionate to the military advantage.

I know you think that Hamas are so uniquely awful that Israel couldn’t possibly abide by any rules of war and that civilian death was necessary to make Israel “safe”. But even if we could accept that sometimes civilian life shouldn’t be protected, there is simply too much evidence that Israel had other goals in this war that had nothing to do with Hamas and more to do with, at best, utterly destroying Palestinian society.

That’s why it has been important for Israel to portray the falsehood that there are no innocents in Gaza. To justify the destruction and deaths.

That’s exactly what I think yes. Hamas are uniquely awful.

Of course more buildings are destroyed than tunnels as the IDF have to destroy buildings before they can even start work on destroying the tunnels.

It has been pointed out so many times that if Hamas didn’t hide underneath buildings, far less of Gaza would now be destroyed.

What don't you understand about the fact that the tunnels were built underneath hospitals, schools, homes?

That to destroy the tunnels the IDF had to first destroy the buildings above them?