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Feel like once the hostages are handed over Israel will start bombing again

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Wakeuplittlebunnies · 10/10/2025 06:50

It seems too good to be true, a final end to the war.

After all the plans that were announced with regards to annexation and the Israeli far-right government members, I can’t help but feel that once all of the hostages are released Israel will go ham on Gaza.

There will be nothing to stop them bombing everywhere.

No hostages to avoid bombing.

No families pleading with the Israeli ministers.

Israel has broken so many ceasefires and this was with the hostages lives at stake.

I don’t know, but I can’t celebrate with everyone as I don’t believe it will last and my heart says that’s it’s going to get worse.

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SomeoneSomewheree · 11/10/2025 09:25

SomeoneSomewheree · 11/10/2025 09:21

Israel are refusing to release DR Hussam, I'm so angry.

This was DR Hussam's last sighting in Gaza as he was ordered to walk towards the Israeli tanks after a long siege and attack on one of the last functioning hospitals in the north of Gaza.

Since then he has been tortured in Israeli prisons and held without charge.

Feel like once the hostages are handed over Israel will start bombing again
SharonEllis · 11/10/2025 09:23

Twiglets1 · 11/10/2025 08:54

Gosh, I wonder why Israel are being so stubborn about them.

Marwan Barghouti serving five life sentences plus 40 years for leading the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and allegedly directing attacks during the Second Intifada that killed five Israelis.

Ahmad Sa’adat sentenced to 30 years after the 2001 assassination of Israeli minister Rehavam Ze’evi.

Abbas al-Sayyid, Hamas’ al-Qassam Brigades commander, accused of organising the 2002 Park Hotel bombing that killed 35 Israelis. He was sentenced to 35 life terms

Ibrahim Hamed serving 54 life sentences for planning major attacks that killed 46 Israelis.

Abdullah Barghouti, Hamas’s chief bomb maker, is accused of carrying out attacks that killed 66 Israelis and injured around 500 others.

Hassan Salameh, one of Hamas’s founding commanders, is serving 46 life sentences for organising the 1996 bus bombings that killed 45 Israelis.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20251010-israel-refuses-to-release-6-palestinian-leaders-in-trumps-proposed-deal/

Incredible that anyone thinks Israel should release these people.

ClockworkGoose · 11/10/2025 09:22

SharonEllis · 11/10/2025 09:10

Were they on an agreed list or just Hamas's wish list? The BBC report I heard yesterday said it had not been agreed, just what Hamas wanted.

Today’s report says that Hamas had demanded these names were included during talks as part of the deal. It seems Isreal instead produced their own list of names.

SomeoneSomewheree · 11/10/2025 09:21

Israel are refusing to release DR Hussam, I'm so angry.

SharonEllis · 11/10/2025 09:10

ClockworkGoose · 11/10/2025 09:00

Come on, they were on the agreed list. The details are not relevant to the context of the peace process . If they didn’t agree to them being out on the agreed list then they should have said so then. Why didn’t they? How will giving Hamas an excuse to stall help the release of hostages?

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Were they on an agreed list or just Hamas's wish list? The BBC report I heard yesterday said it had not been agreed, just what Hamas wanted.

ClockworkGoose · 11/10/2025 09:00

Twiglets1 · 11/10/2025 08:54

Gosh, I wonder why Israel are being so stubborn about them.

Marwan Barghouti serving five life sentences plus 40 years for leading the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and allegedly directing attacks during the Second Intifada that killed five Israelis.

Ahmad Sa’adat sentenced to 30 years after the 2001 assassination of Israeli minister Rehavam Ze’evi.

Abbas al-Sayyid, Hamas’ al-Qassam Brigades commander, accused of organising the 2002 Park Hotel bombing that killed 35 Israelis. He was sentenced to 35 life terms

Ibrahim Hamed serving 54 life sentences for planning major attacks that killed 46 Israelis.

Abdullah Barghouti, Hamas’s chief bomb maker, is accused of carrying out attacks that killed 66 Israelis and injured around 500 others.

Hassan Salameh, one of Hamas’s founding commanders, is serving 46 life sentences for organising the 1996 bus bombings that killed 45 Israelis.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20251010-israel-refuses-to-release-6-palestinian-leaders-in-trumps-proposed-deal/

Come on, they were on the agreed list. The details are not relevant to the context of the peace process . If they didn’t agree to them being out on the agreed list then they should have said so then. Why didn’t they? How will giving Hamas an excuse to stall help the release of hostages?

Twiglets1 · 11/10/2025 08:54

ClockworkGoose · 11/10/2025 08:36

Why am I not surprised Israel are point blank refusing to include several Palestinian prisoners who were on the agreed list for release?

Gosh, I wonder why Israel are being so stubborn about them.

Marwan Barghouti serving five life sentences plus 40 years for leading the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and allegedly directing attacks during the Second Intifada that killed five Israelis.

Ahmad Sa’adat sentenced to 30 years after the 2001 assassination of Israeli minister Rehavam Ze’evi.

Abbas al-Sayyid, Hamas’ al-Qassam Brigades commander, accused of organising the 2002 Park Hotel bombing that killed 35 Israelis. He was sentenced to 35 life terms

Ibrahim Hamed serving 54 life sentences for planning major attacks that killed 46 Israelis.

Abdullah Barghouti, Hamas’s chief bomb maker, is accused of carrying out attacks that killed 66 Israelis and injured around 500 others.

Hassan Salameh, one of Hamas’s founding commanders, is serving 46 life sentences for organising the 1996 bus bombings that killed 45 Israelis.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20251010-israel-refuses-to-release-6-palestinian-leaders-in-trumps-proposed-deal/

PevenseygirlQQ · 11/10/2025 08:47

SpaceRaccoon · 11/10/2025 08:43

Are you saying the images we have seen of emaciated children are all ill with “wasting diseases”? Every single one?

Yes I think the images of the emaciated children, were all because they had existing illnesses.
I'm not underplaying how awful it was to have a chronic illness in a war zone, but it's now completely obvious from a great deal of footage that there was no mass starvation.

Wow

On August 22, 2025, the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC), a United Nations-backed body, officially declared that famine was occurring in the Gaza Governorate, which includes Gaza City.

Guess they and many others are lying

MarmaladeSandwich7 · 11/10/2025 08:46

OP, DH was saying exactly that last night.

SpaceRaccoon · 11/10/2025 08:43

Are you saying the images we have seen of emaciated children are all ill with “wasting diseases”? Every single one?

Yes I think the images of the emaciated children, were all because they had existing illnesses.
I'm not underplaying how awful it was to have a chronic illness in a war zone, but it's now completely obvious from a great deal of footage that there was no mass starvation.

ClockworkGoose · 11/10/2025 08:36

Why am I not surprised Israel are point blank refusing to include several Palestinian prisoners who were on the agreed list for release?

Twiglets1 · 11/10/2025 08:27

We will all see the condition of the hostages soon.

Whether they have been starving or not will be obvious from their physical condition.

Facts matter. And if we say their physical condition looks decent that is not to say they haven’t suffered (of course they have, as have the people of Gaza).

If we are told about widespread famine by sources we once trusted like the UN or BBC, people will comment on the misinformation.

PevenseygirlQQ · 11/10/2025 08:04

EsmaCannonball · 10/10/2025 23:13

This has to be one of the most visually documented wars in history; all those fit and healthy young men with their fully-charged smartphones at every hostage handover and every bomb site and every hospital. If there was mass starvation we would have seen it by now. So far we've only seen images of deliberately starved hostages and those images of emaciated Palestinians who have subsequently turned out to be suffering from wasting illnesses. (I suppose there were also those images of a photojournalist staging photographs of children holding out empty bowls.) I have no doubt that people have suffered and gone without but there have been no images like those we have seen from Bosnia or Sudan or Yemen. All those Al-Jazeera journalists and citizen 'journalists' and people with smartphones and they can't find starving people?

One of the most disturbing things about this war is how Hamas - a group which has killed, imprisoned and intimidated journalists - has controlled the narrative and how almost all the media has unquestioningly played along.

Are you saying the images we have seen of emaciated children are all ill with “wasting diseases”? Every single one?

Lets say that the Palestinians were not suffering from hunger (which they are) is it better that they are being slaughtered with full bellies and charged iphones? That makes whats happening to innocent children okay?

Journalists staging pictures? Lol you really just refuse to have any empathy.

Thats like me saying naaa the “hostages” are fine, they’ve been sheltered from bombs in tunnels, nice and warm, they haven’t had to work for 2 years how lovely. Thats how heartless and deluded you sound.

I bet if we saw images of Israeli’s starving you’d believe it without a doubt.

Hamas are disgusting pigs, but so is Netanyahu and his government. Don’t belittle what those poor children have suffered, they didn’t ask for any of this.

User37482 · 11/10/2025 06:57

ScrollingLeaves · 10/10/2025 19:40

Are some people really suggesting that these narrow tunnels, which released Israeli hostages have described and are more or less unbearable, would have been a place to protect 2 million civilians?

Hamas have clearly stated that the reason they don’t shelter people is because they are not responsible for them. Also it’s fine if people die because the wombs of their women will just produce more Palestinians. It’s foul. They don’t have to live in those tunnels, but Hamas know when operations are taking place they can shelter some people but they just don’t care to. Thats who Hamas are.

TicklishMauveSquid · 11/10/2025 00:38

TomeTome · 11/10/2025 00:17

I think it a rogue state operating outside of international law and that the world has been too patient with this situation for far too long, as do most people.

Right, well maybe you should look it up because you’re obviously very uninformed.

TomeTome · 11/10/2025 00:17

TicklishMauveSquid · 10/10/2025 23:04

What is your understanding of why Israel took ‘a pop’ at Heznobollah, the Houthis, Syria, Iran and Qatar?

I think the rest of your post underpins your understanding of the above.

I think it a rogue state operating outside of international law and that the world has been too patient with this situation for far too long, as do most people.

SpaceRaccoon · 10/10/2025 23:49

This has to be one of the most visually documented wars in history; all those fit and healthy young men with their fully-charged smartphones at every hostage handover and every bomb site and every hospital. If there was mass starvation we would have seen it by now.

I was just saying on another thread, my X "For you" feed has been post after post of very well-groomed, well-looking young Gazans calling themselves Holocaust survivors and talking gleefully about ridding the whole region of Zionists. It's bizarre - not remotely the actions of anyone who has been genuinely starved and terrorised. Maybe it's just a bunch of grifters, I don't know, half of them are begging for money.

GoldPoster · 10/10/2025 23:13

AhWeNoss · 10/10/2025 06:58

I don’t have any faith that Israel will respect the ceasefire. They have acted with impunity and demonstrated a level of brutality that no one could have expected. I find it hard to believe they will suddenly stop and withdraw, when Netanyahu made it clear he wants to control Gaza.

This is funny because I don’t believe for one second that Hamas want peace.

I knew that once the war was ended it wouldn’t end. A lot of people are invested in it continuing, although I’m sure those people see themselves as exceptionally caring and compassionate

EsmaCannonball · 10/10/2025 23:13

This has to be one of the most visually documented wars in history; all those fit and healthy young men with their fully-charged smartphones at every hostage handover and every bomb site and every hospital. If there was mass starvation we would have seen it by now. So far we've only seen images of deliberately starved hostages and those images of emaciated Palestinians who have subsequently turned out to be suffering from wasting illnesses. (I suppose there were also those images of a photojournalist staging photographs of children holding out empty bowls.) I have no doubt that people have suffered and gone without but there have been no images like those we have seen from Bosnia or Sudan or Yemen. All those Al-Jazeera journalists and citizen 'journalists' and people with smartphones and they can't find starving people?

One of the most disturbing things about this war is how Hamas - a group which has killed, imprisoned and intimidated journalists - has controlled the narrative and how almost all the media has unquestioningly played along.

TicklishMauveSquid · 10/10/2025 23:06

mumoftwo99x · 10/10/2025 22:09

Of course he will. They don’t care about the hostages, they care about continuing their vicious genocide. How anyone can be in support of Israel when they have committed literal war crimes and crimes against humanity is beyond me.

Why do you think Israel only cares about continuing their ‘vicious genocide’?

What do you think their aim is?

TicklishMauveSquid · 10/10/2025 23:04

TomeTome · 10/10/2025 22:02

I think the only ones terrorising anyone are the Israelis. How many countries have they taken a pop at in the last couple of years? Though obviously the slaughter in Palestine is much more horrific. Israel have made themselves a pariah. The rest of us simply don’t buy into the idea that slaughtering thousands of children and starving whole populations is justifiable. The IDF when they come back from their jollies in Gaza will be living among you. I can’t imagine how they will fit back into everyday life. There is much work to be done on all sides.

What is your understanding of why Israel took ‘a pop’ at Heznobollah, the Houthis, Syria, Iran and Qatar?

I think the rest of your post underpins your understanding of the above.

mumoftwo99x · 10/10/2025 22:09

Of course he will. They don’t care about the hostages, they care about continuing their vicious genocide. How anyone can be in support of Israel when they have committed literal war crimes and crimes against humanity is beyond me.

TomeTome · 10/10/2025 22:02

HellsBalls · 10/10/2025 18:02

@TomeTome “I would say that it’s Israel’s last chance. If they cock this up and revert to their disgusting ways they will be subjected to peacekeeping forces.”

You are delusional thinking there will be any peace keeping forces. No one will put their soldiers in a position where they could come into conflict with the IDF, an ally, or be subjected to terrorism off the Islamists.

This is Palestines last chance to act like a normal nation and stop terrorizing their neighbours.

I think the only ones terrorising anyone are the Israelis. How many countries have they taken a pop at in the last couple of years? Though obviously the slaughter in Palestine is much more horrific. Israel have made themselves a pariah. The rest of us simply don’t buy into the idea that slaughtering thousands of children and starving whole populations is justifiable. The IDF when they come back from their jollies in Gaza will be living among you. I can’t imagine how they will fit back into everyday life. There is much work to be done on all sides.

quantumbutterfly · 10/10/2025 19:45

User37482 · 10/10/2025 19:32

Erm yes, Israel has actually strengthened it’s standing in the middle east over the last 2 years. They have basically eroded pretty much all their enemies, fought a multi-front war, demonstrated extraordinary intelligence capabilities for their size and will probably end up getting those abraham accords signed.

I mean I understand theres a lot of stuff people say on twitter but in terms of the realpolitik of this situation european countries have been completely useless and america and various arab nations have done all the achieving. Theres a massive gap between reality and what some people wish was happening.

People also don’t seem to understand the realities of wars and starting them. You start a war and theres a possibility that you will lose. You start a war and civilians will get hurt. People die in wars, which is why they should be avoided if possible. Theres a combination of wilful blindness and ignorance here. Tell me which war didn’t involve civilian death? You can’t punch someone in the faceand then when you get ounched back roll around on the floor crying and claiming they are the ones that started it. Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together know exactly how this war started.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vdmtfRj6KX0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vgVT2M9otRU&pp=ygUtSGFtYXMgY2ljaWxsYWlucyBub3Qgb3VyIHJlc3BvbnNpYmlsaXR5IG1lbXJp

This is Hamas saying exactly what they think of civilians. Not because they couldn’t shelter them, they didn’t want to.

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Perhaps I should presume that people who are not chilled by those clips actually agree with them.

ScrollingLeaves · 10/10/2025 19:42

And war is war …. Just stop.

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