Feel like once the hostages are handed over Israel will start bombing again

Yes, I feel desperately sorry for ordinary Palestinians. I don't know how much more they can be expected to endure. Abused by both the Israeli military, and by Hamas. Poor souls 😔

I really feel for the Palestinian people left under Hamas, it wasn't nice for Catholic families living under the IRA. Living in fear of being accused of being a rat. Street justice.

They were puppies in comparison to Hamas.
I assume troops on the ground will go in, many Israeli troops cannot tell the difference between Hamas and innocent citizens, while Hamas are determined to find snitches, the citizens sitting in rubble must be petrified from all sides.

@SharonEllis I used the term 'the Zionists' to refer to the very pro Israel posters on here. I obviously didn't mean all Zionists everywhere.
I agree it was a sloppy use of language, and I shouldn't have used those words. I actually thought that myself, immediately after posting. I apologise for that. The rest of my post stands. It was a long post, and to disregard all of it purely on the basis two words near the end is unfortunate. It should have been clear from my post that I oppose prejudice and violence on both sides. People often accidentally use the wrong words, but the context and intentions are important.

Agreed, none of the NGOs are automatically reliable, unbiased, or above suspicion in all areas. Remember Oxfam in Haiti?

Save the Children exists to protect children, not to spread propaganda.

Forgive me if I'm dubious about international NGOs after the Amnesty nonsense.

If people refuse to show evidence for what they are saying I assume these days that they got their information from some guy on TikTok or Reddit.

I've never come across a 'pro-Israel' poster on here that thought Israel could do no wrong. I know people think if they keep saying it someone will believe it but I'm sure sensible people will have noticed that many loosely pro-Israel people are actually quite critical of the Israel government.

I for one condemn any sexual violence and abuse anywhere but I'm not really engaging with anyone who refers to 'the Zionists'. Thats a conversation killer for me.

Save the Children exists to protect children, not to spread propaganda.

Making excuses for the abusers of children is a new low for the extreme pro-Israel folks on here. Shame on you
Why can't you just have balance, and acknowledge that the Israeli government and military are guilty of human rights abuses? Doesn't make someone antisemitic or even anti-Israel to recognise that fact.

I don't think all Israeli actions are perfect, but given the level of terrorism and hostility they deal with, including suicide bombings, I can entirely see that these protocols are necessary and attempting to frame them as "sexual abuse" is blatant propaganda.

To respond to the OP -

I'm praying peace will hold 🙏
But I don't trust Netanyahu one bit. I really hope I'm wrong.

I hope it lasts, it is a huge step in the right direction.

“I’m not doing the work for people anymore” = I’m not going to provide evidence for things I say = people shouldn’t take me seriously.

If what you are saying is true, then you should want to be taken seriously.

People asking for evidence of your claims isn’t a bad thing.

What I said is true you can believe me or not but I'm not doing the work for people anymore. I'm making statements and if others don't like them they are free to challenge them as mumsnet themselves would say.

I will say it again a democratically elected Israeli lawmaker thinks that the rape of Palestinian detainees is legitimate. An Israeli rapist was brought on Israeli national TV lauded and given multiple standing ovations. Israelis protested outside a prison for the release of rapists. Israelis and their children take to the streets and call for the death of Arabs. 69% of Palestinian children are sexually assaulted in prison.

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The onus is on the person making the claim.

I don't need to provide evidence. I can just make statements and you are free to disprove them if you like. That's how mumsnet works.

There is none. It’s the under the covers sentiment coming to the fore, because of the ceasefire.
As was said days ago, the pro-Palestinians are having difficulties accepting the ceasefire.

Where is the evidence of these ‘facts’?

And a poster here called victims of child sexual abuse radicalised liars and jew haters. Not a single person called her out for that. Mumsnet have said it is fine to do that so I see no problem at all with saying what I said and what we can all see and that is Israelis lauding rape on TV, Israelis trying to free rapists and Israelis calling the rape of Palestinians in detention legitimate.

Like I said Israelis elected someone who has said the rape of detainees is legitimate. Israelis have rioted for the release of rape suspects. Israelis have lauded a rapist on TV after seeing a video of him violently gang raping a man. These are facts, things that have happened in Israeli society. They have shown us and told us that they don't have a problem with the rape of detainees. The video we saw of violent Israelis gang raping a Palestinian was not a cavity search. People were not protesting for the right to cavity search Palestinians they were protesting for gang rapists to be freed.

I certainly think they do.

Who will volunteer to go?

https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1977813130291106080

Seems like lots of the spectators approve and they are filming it so the whole world can see just like Oct 7th.

You're describing fringe elements of Israeli society. The IDF are made up mainly of conscripts, ie normal young people from the full cross section of society.
So yes you are kind of calling the majority of Israelis paedophiles.

In reality, detainees are strip searched and cavity searched for the very obvious reason of concealed explosives and weapons.

Sorry to be a cynic, but when it comes to Netanyahu I’m afraid I can’t believe a word he says - and Trump is pretty similar in my book. Both are driven by ego, personal power & money.
I hope for sake of the Palestinian people that I am wrong.

Are we to assume then that there is an anomaly in Israeli society in that there are lots of IDF soldiers, Israeli police and prison staff who are pedophiles, who like to touch young boys and this goes on without anyone caring because they don’t see a problem with it?

Well let's face it there is a long standing culture amongst some Israelis to call for the death of Palestinians, to actually murder them, burn them out of their homes, laugh and make up vile chants about the deaths of children at their hands. They host rapists on national tv and give them standing ovations, their democratically elected lawmakers call the rape of prisoners legitimate and they riot outside prisons for the release of rape suspects.

Unfortunately Israeli children are brainwashed into an ideology that’s very function is to demonise Palestinians and this allows them to carry out the atrocities that we have seen over the past number of decades once they reach adulthood and join the IDF. There are numerous videos of these atrocities and testimonies from the people carrying them out if you care to find them.

When we can see with our own eyes rapists lauded on TV, elected representatives saying that rape is legitimate, Israeli citizens rioting for the release of rapists, Israeli citizens including radicalised Israeli children marching up and down Palestinian streets calling for their deaths, 4 violent Israeli terrorist attacks against Palestinians every single day, a gang rape carried out by multiple Israelis on a Palestinian prisoner why would we assume that the sexual assault of children would be a step too far and that the victims are the liars not the people responsible for the deaths of 20000 children, the people marching up and down the streets calling for their deaths and violently attacking them every single day.