Feel like once the hostages are handed over Israel will start bombing again

Let's face it, nobody here, or any reguklar citizens for that matter, has a clue what's really going on - because we are all being played left right and centre.
Michael Rosen said it best yesterday. I've underlined the single sentence which sums up this whole horrific episode in world history:

" I've been thinking about where we are in the news cycle with the Gaza events. Let me rack back a little to the time when Starmer thought that it was a good idea to recognise Palestine. What seemed to be going on then (correct me if I'm wrong) was some heavy duty wallpapering. What I mean by that is that Starmer and others in the government were doing a lot of frowning and 'condemning'. They said that all sorts of things going on in Gaza were 'unacceptable' and of course that they were straining every sinew to bring about a peaceful two-state solution.
Quite what they were doing in actual real terms is another matter. In theory it was brilliant diplomacy going on 'at the highest level' and this (apparently) contributed to the 'brilliant' ceasefire that Trump (apparently) achieved.
Whatever actually did happen at this time is not clear to me (perhaps it is to others) but I confess I did think there was a tiny bit of momentum in the direction of peace. I thought that for a moment perhaps the Netanyahu government was perceived by the US govt (political-military-industrial complex) to have overstepped the mark. The attack dog of Israel had somehow managed to get a bit free from its leash, and had now been mildly restrained by its master. That's what I thought. I confess I was probably wrong. What seems much more likely now is that some kind of cynical ballet is going on, where what we see and hear (care of the media) is not what is actually happening.
How come? Surely with the world's eyes on Gaza and Israel, nothing can be concealed, disguised or re-represented?
Well, to do this you need two things working in tandem. You need the world's media to regard anything produced by Palestinians and/or networks from within the Arab world as useless, suspicious, lying, Hamas propaganda. Second, you need a situation in which the 'trusted' media (BBC, NBC, Fox, CNN, Reuters, PA etc etc) are not allowed in.
This means that we, the punters, are constructed by the media as living in a state of fog. Any story produced by anyone MIGHT NOT BE TRUE. The important bit of that phrase is the word 'MIGHT'.
You see, back in the olden days, the idea was, that there should be a media war that accompanied a real war. There were supposed to be two versions of the truth. I believe what is happening now is not quite the same. What is important for us in the west is that we should think we are living in a state of fog. Any story could be true or false. Any news could be fake news.
If this is the situation, let's ask ourselves, who does this benefit? Who does it benefit that every story might be untrue? Surely, it can only benefit the force with the greatest power, the force that is doing the most damage. It means, in effect, that the greatest power (which has the power to commit the greatest atrocities) can get away with it. Any report that the greatest power has just committed an atrocity MIGHT NOT BE TRUE. Result: greatest power gets away with it.
Of course this also applies to any kind of judgement being made about what's going on. Thus the word 'genocide' is investigated and doubted over and over again which means that it too MIGHT NOT BE TRUE. (I've said many times, I don't actually care what it's called. We have the phrase 'mass killing' and we don't necessarily need a legal term to label it, in order for us to know that something awful is going on. (I fully understand that the 'genocide' word could have legal consequences but at present, the doubt over its use serves the purpose of the greatest power because they can keep saying, 'it's not genocide', as if that proves that mass killing is not going on!))
So the present phase is the 'Foggy Phase', the moment when the most successful part of this war is to cause people to doubt whether any story is true. Has the ceasefire been broken? If so by who? The answer is fog. So long as the majority of people can't commit to saying the ceasefire is just a cover for more atrocities to take place, the greatest power is in a good place. After all, fogged minds aren't angry minds. Minds that are not angry, are not on the streets trying to stop governments from heaping yet more pain, misery, dispossession and death on Palestinian people. Result. "

We’ve been called worse
It demeans their own credibility

Interesting to note how often the phrase ‘useful idiots’ pops up among pro-Israel posters and influencers.

Historically, it was a Soviet propaganda term used to dismiss anyone sympathetic to communism as naive or manipulated.

Today, it’s being reused to delegitimise anyone showing concern for Palestinians, turning empathy into supposed naivety rather than engaging with the real humanitarian issues. Raising humanitarian issues gets painted as supporting Hamas. Handy for shutting down debate without actually engaging with facts.

Did you miss the whole point of my post about verifying the truth
I appreciate it’s not that important to some but it is to most people

I’m sorry for all civilians going through this

I don’t give a toss for all murderers, war mongerers and liars

@FreedomandPeace you sound so sorry for Hamas.

@camomilelawns

They were given no choice to agree as has been discussed on these threads before
As I’m sure you must be aware Trump told them if they didn’t agree they’d be bombed to hell

Meanwhile both Trump and Netanyahu acknowledged finding the bodies on the timescale would be very difficult. Especially given
many Hamas members who buried them were dead
Gaza was bombed to bits and they had no machinery to dig as Israel wouldn't allow them to have any
They knew this
They acknowledged it and
Trump has confirmed it is not a contravention of the ceasefire agreement

apologies tagged on to your post there @Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice

To avoid all doubt and stick to the facts

“The IDF later confirmed that a drone had filmed Hamas terrorists staging the handover of the remains. In the footage, the operatives are seen removing a body from a nearby apartment, burying it in a pit with sand and later summoning Red Cross personnel to the site to give the appearance of a spontaneous discovery.”

1. The Red Cross therefore were called to the location
2. The Red Cross do not have the capability to assess whether the drone footage is real or fake.
3. The Red Criss were not at the location when the body was located.

As such, like all footage from this war, if there is disagreement about the intel it is wise to await
it’s verification from an independent analyst

Just as we awaited for independent intel/ verification in the early days of
white stuff dropping from the sky and burning Palestinians
the location of ambulances when they were bombed
etc
etc

So until we have that this news is
nothing
As it is Israel has used it partly as an excuse to bomb and kill more than100 civilians

If there’s one thing this war has taught us all its that people will use propaganda to fit whatever narrative they are trying to justify.
We see this all the time and unless information is verified it’s useless.

I don’t believe either side

of note on the Red Cross

The recent incident in Gaza
In October 2025, an incident in Gaza highlighted the limitations of the Red Cross's role in a conflict zone.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) released drone footage that they claimed showed Hamas staging the discovery of an Israeli hostage's body.
The video appeared to show Hamas operatives burying a body and then flagging it to a Red Cross representative.
In response, the Red Cross stated that their team only observed what appeared to be a recovery and was not aware of the circumstances leading up to it.
The Red Cross called the alleged act "unacceptable" and stressed that they were not involved in verifying the actions of the conflicting parties.

You actually haven't read the agreement have you 😂

@FreedomandPeace "Netanyahu and Trump knew and acknowledged that the deceased hostages would be hard to locate."

If that was the case then surely Hamas, who are operating in the area, should have the same information?

So then, why did Hamas agree to return these bodies within the timescale agreed.?

As time goes on more and more of the Hamas propaganda is going to be blown out the water. It’s going to become very clear to everyone how the western “liberals” were manipulated as useful idiots again).

Even now as they are beheading people in the street the useful idiots don’t see them as the bad guys. Even when return hostages have stated ordinary Gazians were beating them and kicking them the useful idiots are insistent that every Gaziab is just a poor innocent victim.

The video has been accepted by the Red Cross as authentic and they were actually there during the event in question, overseeing things in a neutral capacity.

Are the Red Cross engaging in propaganda now according to you?

It only sounds like "faux concern" if you can't imagine feeling sympathy for the other side's civilians.

There are some on the pro Pal side who have expressed sympathy for Israeli civilians killed or traumatised by 7/10 and its after effects, and I take it to be genuine because I know you can feel empathy for civilians on both sides.

I've seen the video. Its also completely on brand. That's enough for me.

Lol to keeping away from propaganda. There's nothing but propaganda from both sides on this at this point. You're completely naive if you think youre avoiding propaganda.

Your piece of info has not been verified or dated.

So irrelevant

Id keep away from propaganda it severely skews one’s mindset

Yes I agree, the utter hypocrisy, and in some posts what sounds suspiciously like “faux concern” for innocent civilians is really sickening, and yet sadly not surprising.

Hamas had a body in their hands but instead of returning it as the conditions required, they were caught on film hiding it, and then pretending to find it.

Its not hard to locate something you've personally buried a few minutes ago.

Fit that into your narrative.

Precisely!

Netanyahu and Trump knew and acknowledged that the deceased hostages would be hard to locate.

Israel did not allow diggers into Gaza till recently with Egypt now supplying them

The delayed return of the deceased hostages was noted by Trump as not breaking the ceasefire.

Meanwhile Israel has continued to bomb and kill civilians all through this ‘so called’ ceasefire.

It was only "bullshit" because Hamas reneged on the deal and didn't deliver the bodies of the hostages.

Hamas can't be trusted, doing a deal with them was just plain idiotic.

So if you want to object to killing children, blame Hamas.

How people think that protesting in this country will make a difference, I don't know?

Why not picket the Iranian or Qatari embassies? Those countries are both "in bed" with Hamas.

I'm not surprised at all.

Hamas would never break a ceasefire, I must treat any suggestion that they have done that with the utmost scepticism. It must have been Israel, not my sweet little Hamas.

<meanwhile Hamas is executing Palestinians in cold blood in the streets>

That’s what it was
It was never identified on the ground
It is now ( after the IDF kept shooting at people )
With bollards Aparently

Netanyahu
September 2023

Imaginary line? Is that what the pro-Palestinian cool kids are calling it?