Writer Naoise Dolan Abducted in International Waters

@JacknDiane, who was who I was responding to about Israel being a pariah State was not referring to sanctions from my reading of that post.

The world has seen what's happening and Israel will be very much a pariah state from now on. No one except their supporters will think of Israel with anything except disgust and horror.

He/she was referring to the justification of hatred of Israel, Israelis and also the Jewish diaspora by extension. Attacks on them have been justified because of the war even on here.

My point was business is business and international businesses will still deal with Israel if it benefits them.

I don’t think any country in the world, and its people, has had this level of hate Israel has had directed at it for carrying out a justified war or even an aggressive war in my lifetime.

I also don’t think Germany had this level of global hate directed it, or was viewed with such hatred for long afterwards as @JacknDiane seems to want Israel to be.

Well that works both ways.

There is a lot of distrust on this board for the evidence on the "other side" - whichever side you're on.

They also incapacitated 7 IDF commandos (so must have been pretty heavy resistance) by attacking them as they came aboard and armed themselves with guns they took off them.

So get this, aggressive activists who attacked soldiers with chairs, metal poles, knives, and threw one over deck to a lower level of the boat, to get hold of their guns, were just peaceful and innocent and shouldn’t expect to be at shot at if they’re trying to kill those soldiers.

According to reports I read the attack on the soldiers was planned days before they came onboard and the peaceful activists had sawn off the boat’s metal railings to use as weapons in preparation.

I see @DrPrunesqualer didn’t see fit to mention the 7 soldiers injured, 2 seriously, 1 shot, in her brief run down of the incident (although it states 10 on her attachment) which rather changes the perspective that the ‘activists’ were all peaceful and were attacked for no reason.

If that had been any other ME country’s army, I think the outcome would have been a lot worse, but of course Israel is held to a standard no other country would tolerate.

I don’t expect Pro Israeli supporters to believe anyone that doesn’t agree with them

so nothing new here then

Don't worry. Just like what Israel has done is a reaction to Hamas, those who are not anti Zionists will know that they did not show any " can't act right" before the pro Palestinians did the most to censor , minimise, mock , victim blame and even censure October 7th first, worldwide and before Israel even retaliated.
Can't get much worse than being a female rape denier/ minimiser on a female centred board.
And Greta leads that specific cohort on the flotilla.
It burns me to share space with those types of women and men.
They minimise Hamas and complicit Gazans actions because something inside them clicks positively with those actions .
And they only pretend to be for Palestinians and that is why they minimise Hamas' actions and intent ....because something clicks positively in the Israeli defence and the death and destruction it has wrought.
Never in my life have I seen so many able to daily doom scrolls what is avoidable, but claim distress, disgust and despair.
A disgust, distress and despair that does not translate into begging Hamas to disarm, give back the dead and living hostages or question why Hamas and complicit Gazans planned for two years to knowingly lead tens of thousands of Gazans to death, homelessness and hunger.
So miss me with the superiority complex. The average Pro Palestinian does not even check for Palestinians. If they did, calls for Hamas accountability would have been one of the top two demands from them in this war.
Because one cannot claim that Israel is an eighty year old criminal state that needs to be a parish due to her exercising her right to defend herself against various Islamist entities over the decades , but act like they did not know that Israel would defend herself against the worst violation against Jews, and in the Jewish homeland since WW2.
Which begs the question why so called Pro Palestinians did not and do not prioritise why Hamas knowingly sent their people to hell all to get a kick out of murdering a far smaller number of people?

Is the kick out of a relatively large number of Israeli Jews being targeted and murdered for being Jewish a greater reward worth the death and destruction in Gaza so as to continue to finger point and bangle/banner wave after Israel?
Because this mass energy for Israel that even the post communism fall of the Berlin Wall did not harness with such non dynamic intensity , and seemingly unable to channel itself out of toddler like emotionalism and narcissism ....where and how was it hiding in intensity and hysteria ( I rarely use that word in my lexicon as it can often be used to other and stifle reasoning) and how was it able to?
Is social media the catalyst or the vessel?

Because there is so much going on in the world, worse than what is happening in Gaza and for far longer that this very intense energy against Israel (and much" adjacent " to her ) could have been released a long time ago, if anti war, love of peace and justice and " anti imperialism", plus a superior love of children, babies and mothers is really the motivation/ trigger for it.
But kudos to the ability to stifle all that adrenalin without using it so intensely " on behalf" of other groups and other " imperialist" endeavours against whole populations all over creation ...and all without a serious uptick in mental hospital admission or prison as suppressing intense feeling too often leads to maladaptive anti social behaviour or self harm or to those in close proximity.

Ahh, yes, the totally neutral UNHRC.
https://unwatch.org/database/problems/unhrc/

And you missed a bit
re summary executions !!

You missed a bit.
“Aboard the Turkish ship MV Mavi Marmara, the Israeli Navy faced resistance from about 40 of the 590 passengers, including IHH activists[5] who were said to be armed with iron bars and knives.”

Where in that post do I refer to the flotilla?

Play silly games win silly prizes

You called those on the flotilla anti semitic by equating their actions as antisemitism ( 8:06 today)
You also called another poster antisemitic

thats a disgrace ! and a clear slur

but I agree those on the Flotillas are privileged. They aren’t being bombed in Gaza, they haven’t lost their homes, livelihoods and friends and families.

Whatever way you look at it, people are fucking stupid to involve themselves in a war zone if they don't have to and are not trained to. Especially when they are doing it to virtue signal on behalf of terrorists.

Care to link to the post where I have called them names? I have said they are privileged because they are. No one who is not privileged has the luxury of sitting around on boats in the Mediterranean waiting for the publicity that comes from being boarded by the Israelis. No one who is not privileged is flown back to a welcoming party in Libya a few days after being arrested. No one who is not privileged gets released from Israeli jails as quickly as that!

TBF I haven’t seen you post much in way of evidence to support your assertions at all. Propaganda yes.

I just response to posts I want to respond to.

The IDF are an army fighting an unprecedented war against heinous terrorists IMO. Brave men and women, most still in or barely out of their teens, some Arab Muslim, Druze, Christian, fighting alongside Jews, against evil, cowardly, terrorists who committed the type of barbaric atrocities of Oct 7th, who hide behind children to save themselves in a war they started.

You are entitled to your very biased view of them though.

The IDF act on orders from the Israeli Government

They are both complicit

I agree @KoalaKoKo. It's just so obvious what's going on here.

Name calling next, you know you want to…

Well, yes. I’m unable to refute your frankly incoherent argument.

Exactly

2010 Flotilla to Gaza
9 people on the flotilla killed !
and 30 wounded by Israel

Absolutely!

I hope we see convictions soon for the genocide.

Meaningless cant. What kind of "genocide victims" hold hostages from the other side that they could release at any moment to end the "genocide"? What kind of genocide can be ended by the "victims" agreeing to a ceasefire?

Make it make sense.