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Writer Naoise Dolan Abducted in International Waters

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KoalaKoKo · 08/10/2025 10:59

Writer, Naoise Dolan, has just been illegally abducted from international waters by the Israeli government. Prior to being kidnapped, she wrote about her journey for The Guardian, explaining why they will not get Israel to distribute aid on their behalf.

“Israel likes to ask why we don’t “just” let them distribute our supplies. Besides there being good reason to distrust that this would actually happen when Israel has been deliberately starving Palestinians for two years, doing so would tacitly concede that Israel has the right to control Palestinian waters.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/oct/08/israel-seize-ship-gaza-flotilla-prison

Israel have just abducted 145 peace activists at gunpoint from international waters, in breach of international law. This follows their abduction of 500 people last week, some of which are still in captivity and those who have been released have reported brutal treatment where they were denied access to water, medical care and legal aid.

https://freedomflotilla.org/2025/10/08/iof-attacks/

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KoalaKoKo · 10/10/2025 00:06

TicklishMauveSquid · 09/10/2025 23:31

What is horrible about it? That I don’t believe she was killed by the IDF?

Why is that opinion horrible? Because you want it to be true?

There are a lot of holes in this story if you dig deeper into it.

The IDF stated they didn’t give the PRCS approval to send out the ambulance to get Hind as they were not operating in the area so it was not necessary. There has been no evidence given that the IDF gave approval that night, which the PCRS must surely have, although they managed to produce the audio of the phone call with Hind.

The Forensic Architecture and Washington Post investigations said the gunfire could only have come from a mounted machine gun which must have been attached to a tank conveniently ignoring that both Hamas and the PIJ use mounted machine guns on pick up trucks. There were no bullets found which is not credible when 355 bullets have been fired into a small area like a car.

The alleged satellite evidence of IDF troops nearby stated the nearest tank was 300m away. There is no evidence any tanks moved to a position near Hind’s car or entered the area they were in. They could have gone in the opposite direction. There is no date/time stamp on the images from what I saw and it’s unclear if they were ever independently authenticated.

  1. Hind’s mother stated the uncle/aunt and kids left in the early hours (assume before 6am then) BEFORE the IDF issued evacuation orders at 9.32am.
  2. The mother also stated she witnessed shots at the car which must have been shortly after the family left if she saw it herself and she said she was walking from the house.
  3. There is no evidence in the Satellite pics the tanks went into the area that Hind was in or were in the area before 9.30am by which time the first shots at the car witnessed by Hind’s mother would have been fired. Evacuation orders are not issued by tank,
  4. Going by Hind’s mother’s testimony, the car was shot at before 9.30am (could have been before 6am) then again at 2.30pm when her cousin made the call to the PCRS, then again at around 5.30pm when Hind was killed and more shooting and bombing at 6pm when the ambulance arrived.

So according to that the IDF stayed in that area taking pot shots at a family in a car, taking their time murdering them all, using up 355 bullets (all of which magically evaporated) and then bombing an ambulance, for instance excess of 12 hours?

If you’re going to invent a scenario, at least make it credible.

Even weirder is that there was no blood stains in the car from pictures of the car. 7 people being shot to death in an average sized saloon car with 355 bullets in it and no evidence of physical injury inside? Come on.

Palestinians seem to have a penchant for overlaying gun shot sounds in their videos. Easy to do on an audio recording.

https://x.com/GAZAWOOD1/status/1941910515606757468

I would not be surprised if this was an extremely successful false flag propaganda op. There was no details of a funeral for Hind which given the media attention on her supposed death was unusual.

Hamas has a 1000 strong propaganda team in Gaza including videographers and PR officers led by the recently deceased Abu Obeida. Propaganda like this seems to have much reduced since his elimination.

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Wow a social media account talking about Gazawood, that is amazing evidence - said no one ever.

“According to an analysis of the recording by Earshot, in the final moments that we hear Layan’s voice, a total of 64 gunshots can be heard, fired in just 6 seconds. The gun firing these shots is firing at a range of 750–900 rounds per minute. This range exceeds that of an AK-type rifle, the assault rifle most commonly attributed to Hamas. This range of rounds per minute is consistent with Israeli army-issued weaponry such as the M4 assault rifle or the FN MAG machine gun on a Merkava tank.”

On the paramedics murdered as they tried to rescue her:

”Comparing the exit hole and varying levels of destruction helps reconstruct the cone of impact from the explosion, and in turn, reveals the direction from which the ambulance was shot (Figure 13). This direction is consistent with the location of Israeli tanks visible in satellite imagery from between 29 January and 8 February.
Our assessment of the position of the tanks at the time of the attack, together with the direction of the shot, suggests that the ambulance was likely hit by ammunition from an Israeli tank.”

https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/the-killing-of-hind-rajab

From the Jerusalem Post

“Alone in the backseat of a car outside a Gaza City gas station, the report describes her “drifting in and out of consciousness, surrounded by bodies, as she told emergency dispatchers that Israeli tanks were rumbling closer.”

“In addition, the report said that a satellite image captured by Planet Labs roughly an hour later, at 3:31 p.m., shows at least four Israeli armored vehicles around 300 meters up the road from the girls.”

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-797629

And if that’s not enough, The Washington Post:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2024/hind-rajab-israel-gaza-killing-timeline/

Why the IDF should clarify rapidly how Hind Rajab was killed | The Jerusalem Post

Critics of Israel often accuse the IDF of incidents when it is clear that the IDF was not in the area and could not have been involved.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-797629

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DrPrunesqualer · 09/10/2025 23:40

Why are people obsessed with arguing who’s right and who’s wrong. No one can be sure of the truth except those who were there and I’m guessing none of us mumsnetters were

Let’s Move on
Theres a deal on the table. Both sides have agreed !!!

This is a great day for peace

TicklishMauveSquid · 09/10/2025 23:31

KoalaKoKo · 09/10/2025 20:44

Wow there is so much nonsense in this post. You know the six year old was on the phone to emergency services as she was being murdered by the IDF. It is all recorded and proven. Just horrible comment!

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What is horrible about it? That I don’t believe she was killed by the IDF?

Why is that opinion horrible? Because you want it to be true?

There are a lot of holes in this story if you dig deeper into it.

The IDF stated they didn’t give the PRCS approval to send out the ambulance to get Hind as they were not operating in the area so it was not necessary. There has been no evidence given that the IDF gave approval that night, which the PCRS must surely have, although they managed to produce the audio of the phone call with Hind.

The Forensic Architecture and Washington Post investigations said the gunfire could only have come from a mounted machine gun which must have been attached to a tank conveniently ignoring that both Hamas and the PIJ use mounted machine guns on pick up trucks. There were no bullets found which is not credible when 355 bullets have been fired into a small area like a car.

The alleged satellite evidence of IDF troops nearby stated the nearest tank was 300m away. There is no evidence any tanks moved to a position near Hind’s car or entered the area they were in. They could have gone in the opposite direction. There is no date/time stamp on the images from what I saw and it’s unclear if they were ever independently authenticated.

  1. Hind’s mother stated the uncle/aunt and kids left in the early hours (assume before 6am then) BEFORE the IDF issued evacuation orders at 9.32am.
  2. The mother also stated she witnessed shots at the car which must have been shortly after the family left if she saw it herself and she said she was walking from the house.
  3. There is no evidence in the Satellite pics the tanks went into the area that Hind was in or were in the area before 9.30am by which time the first shots at the car witnessed by Hind’s mother would have been fired. Evacuation orders are not issued by tank,
  4. Going by Hind’s mother’s testimony, the car was shot at before 9.30am (could have been before 6am) then again at 2.30pm when her cousin made the call to the PCRS, then again at around 5.30pm when Hind was killed and more shooting and bombing at 6pm when the ambulance arrived.

So according to that the IDF stayed in that area taking pot shots at a family in a car, taking their time murdering them all, using up 355 bullets (all of which magically evaporated) and then bombing an ambulance, for instance excess of 12 hours?

If you’re going to invent a scenario, at least make it credible.

Even weirder is that there was no blood stains in the car from pictures of the car. 7 people being shot to death in an average sized saloon car with 355 bullets in it and no evidence of physical injury inside? Come on.

Palestinians seem to have a penchant for overlaying gun shot sounds in their videos. Easy to do on an audio recording.

https://x.com/GAZAWOOD1/status/1941910515606757468

I would not be surprised if this was an extremely successful false flag propaganda op. There was no details of a funeral for Hind which given the media attention on her supposed death was unusual.

Hamas has a 1000 strong propaganda team in Gaza including videographers and PR officers led by the recently deceased Abu Obeida. Propaganda like this seems to have much reduced since his elimination.

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An hour ago, a video claiming to show IDF soldiers shooting at Palestinians went viral. But it’s the third time the exact same old western rifle sound — identical, same timing — was used in different clips. In a sane world, this would be front-page ne...

https://x.com/GAZAWOOD1/status/1941910515606757468

quantumbutterfly · 09/10/2025 23:05

Twiglets1 · 09/10/2025 21:48

Going to have to agree to disagree on that point 😀

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Yes, I've followed a few if the UN's more dubious decisions but I hadn't appreciated how many members refuse to recognise Israel.

Twiglets1 · 09/10/2025 21:48

DrPrunesqualer · 09/10/2025 20:17

Agree
but I disagree that the UN are biased against Israel despite the assertions of Netanyahu and what the UN critics say

Im aware of arguments for and against

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Going to have to agree to disagree on that point 😀

PurpleChrayn · 09/10/2025 21:18

🙄

HellsBalls · 09/10/2025 21:15

@SummerFeverVenice ’What is unprecedented in my life time, is how Israel has systematically fought this war in a seemingly lawless and excessively brutal fashion.’

Wake up. It’s a war, where taking prisoner by the islamists means at best a quick death, at worst months of torture followed by a beheading with a kitchen knife live streamed on a YouTube.

Don’t forget being found gay by Islamists results in being thrown off a tall building. Being found guilty of adultery means being held in a hole while a pickup full of rocks is off loaded onto you.

The Jews, even the ultra orthodox, don’t do shit like that.

TicklishMauveSquid · 09/10/2025 21:11

SummerFeverVenice · 09/10/2025 20:46

It is not an “unprecedented war” against terror as many living veterans of urban combat against terrorists can attest to. The enemy is not what is unprecedented.

What is unprecedented in my life time, is how Israel has systematically fought this war in a seemingly lawless and excessively brutal fashion.

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Do you have expertise or knowledge of urban warfare?

Please name a similar war then?

Military experts who have been to the area are of the view it’s an unprecedented war.

I suppose you know better than one of world’s leading experts in urban warfare which is what this war is.

https://www.meforum.org/podcasts/john-spencer-on-israels-urban-war-in-gaza-a-technical-analysis

spencerguard.substack.com/p/israel-is-not-committing-genocide

John Spencer on Israel’s Urban War in Gaza: A Technical Analysis

https://www.meforum.org/podcasts/john-spencer-on-israels-urban-war-in-gaza-a-technical-analysis

SummerFeverVenice · 09/10/2025 20:58

Beachtastic · 09/10/2025 20:33

Or campaigning to weaken the grip of Hamas, instead of having their boats paid for by them.

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Hamas didn’t pay for the flotilla. That is nonsense.

Glitchymn1 · 09/10/2025 20:54

Done.

SummerFeverVenice · 09/10/2025 20:46

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She is back in Sweden? Deported.

SummerFeverVenice · 09/10/2025 20:46

TicklishMauveSquid · 09/10/2025 15:45

TBF I haven’t seen you post much in way of evidence to support your assertions at all. Propaganda yes.

I just response to posts I want to respond to.

The IDF are an army fighting an unprecedented war against heinous terrorists IMO. Brave men and women, most still in or barely out of their teens, some Arab Muslim, Druze, Christian, fighting alongside Jews, against evil, cowardly, terrorists who committed the type of barbaric atrocities of Oct 7th, who hide behind children to save themselves in a war they started.

You are entitled to your very biased view of them though.

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It is not an “unprecedented war” against terror as many living veterans of urban combat against terrorists can attest to. The enemy is not what is unprecedented.

What is unprecedented in my life time, is how Israel has systematically fought this war in a seemingly lawless and excessively brutal fashion.

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KoalaKoKo · 09/10/2025 20:44

TicklishMauveSquid · 09/10/2025 20:19

Additionally, it is absolutely disgusting to say that IDF soldiers should be arrested the second they step out of Israel. These are young men and women fighting a war, putting their own lives on the line and being killed, after their country was attacked by multiple terrorists groups.

I’ve seen pictures and videos of beheaded IDF soldiers and bodies of dead soldiers being jumped on, beaten and desecrated by hordes of frenzied civilians in Gaza.

The targeting of these soldiers is led by an outfit who’s members have openly expressed support for Hamas and Hezbollah, and which was specifically set up to persecute IDF soldiers in the name of a 6 year girl, Hind Rajab, who was killed during this war allegedly by the IDF with no conclusive proof that was the case and it has been disputed.

I personally don’t think the story makes sense at all and it is another piece in the propaganda war against Israel, with this ‘Foundation’ to stalk and persecute IDF soldiers conveniently set up on the back of it.

In all likelihood planned and set up before Hamas started a war they knew they wouldn’t win militarily.

Has there been any other conflicts where soldiers have been targeted in the same way?

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Wow there is so much nonsense in this post. You know the six year old was on the phone to emergency services as she was being murdered by the IDF. It is all recorded and proven. Just horrible comment!

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dairydebris · 09/10/2025 20:43

KoalaKoKo · 09/10/2025 14:20

In fairness Hamas don’t have any issue with peace activists, the flotilla’s carried vital medical supplies and had doctors and nurses on board so they likely would have been welcomed. Israel are far more dangerous to peace activists, they have killed quite a few over the years, they are also far more dangerous to doctors and nurses when you look at the numbers imprisoned and murdered!

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Ah yes those fluffy wuffy ickle terrorists. They dont have any issue with peace activists? What, apart from Vittorio Arrigioni, Vivian Silver, all those Israelis who'd been working with Gazans before 7 October?

Did you speak to Hamas and did they tell you, no, honestly, we've no issue with peace activists? Personal mistakes might have been made? And you believed them?

Must be true then 🙄.

Beachtastic · 09/10/2025 20:33

wrongthinker · 09/10/2025 14:15

I mean, thank God they weren't intercepted by Hamas because it's highly unlikely they would have survived to tell the tale.

Let's be real here. You don't go sailing into a war zone armed only with your white privilege and expect to be treated like a hero unless you're doing it for attention. If they wanted to do something to help the Palestinian people they would have been campaigning for a ceasefire.

Or campaigning to weaken the grip of Hamas, instead of having their boats paid for by them.

SummerFeverVenice · 09/10/2025 20:33

TicklishMauveSquid · 09/10/2025 12:55

There’s a land route for aid so not applicable.

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That is not relevant to the law.

SummerFeverVenice · 09/10/2025 20:31

1dayatatime · 09/10/2025 11:07

The UN Palmer Report 2011:

"Palmer found that Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza is legal. Palmer argued that since a state of conflict existed between Israel and militants in the Gaza Strip, a naval blockade to prevent receipt of arms by those militants would be a recognized form of self-defence. "

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon appointed a commission to inquire into what had happened. Sir Geoffrey Palmer was appointed to Chair the inquiry. He is a law professor and former Prime Minister of New Zealand.

https://unispal.un.org/pdfs/GazaFlotillaPanelReport.pdf

Palmer also said in the report that the Israeli navy should have searched the boats and if they had only humanitarian aid, they should have been let through to deliver it.

A blockade is only legal while it blocks arms and ammunition.

SmugglersHaunt · 09/10/2025 20:30

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SummerFeverVenice · 09/10/2025 20:26

HellsBalls · 09/10/2025 06:29

I think we can be sure their treatment was civilized and respectful.
Or there is evidence of physical injuries?

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You sound like my mum who advised me that if I get raped I had better make sure he beats me black and blue or no one will believe me. Got to have that physical evidence, am I right?

SummerFeverVenice · 09/10/2025 20:23

CatchingtheCat · 09/10/2025 01:42

Are we going to talk about the genocide of thousands of Christians in Syria by Syrian Muslim forces?

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Genocide? The most Syrian Christian’s that were killed in a single incident was 12. The death toll for the entire year: 1,120.

TicklishMauveSquid · 09/10/2025 20:19

Additionally, it is absolutely disgusting to say that IDF soldiers should be arrested the second they step out of Israel. These are young men and women fighting a war, putting their own lives on the line and being killed, after their country was attacked by multiple terrorists groups.

I’ve seen pictures and videos of beheaded IDF soldiers and bodies of dead soldiers being jumped on, beaten and desecrated by hordes of frenzied civilians in Gaza.

The targeting of these soldiers is led by an outfit who’s members have openly expressed support for Hamas and Hezbollah, and which was specifically set up to persecute IDF soldiers in the name of a 6 year girl, Hind Rajab, who was killed during this war allegedly by the IDF with no conclusive proof that was the case and it has been disputed.

I personally don’t think the story makes sense at all and it is another piece in the propaganda war against Israel, with this ‘Foundation’ to stalk and persecute IDF soldiers conveniently set up on the back of it.

In all likelihood planned and set up before Hamas started a war they knew they wouldn’t win militarily.

Has there been any other conflicts where soldiers have been targeted in the same way?

DrPrunesqualer · 09/10/2025 20:17

Twiglets1 · 09/10/2025 18:36

Well that works both ways.

There is a lot of distrust on this board for the evidence on the "other side" - whichever side you're on.

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Agree
but I disagree that the UN are biased against Israel despite the assertions of Netanyahu and what the UN critics say

Im aware of arguments for and against

JacknDiane · 09/10/2025 20:10

Everything crossed Trumps peace plan is successful 🙏

HellsBalls · 09/10/2025 19:53

Poor Noise and the rest of the Floaters arrived a week too late.
The world is talking about the Trump Peace Plan.
Their futile gestures have already been forgotten.

JacknDiane · 09/10/2025 19:44

Again, trying to put words in my mouth. Its just not working @TicklishMauveSquid.

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