Pro-Israel - I don't understand

@SameOldHill
What matters is that there were people living there, and that those local communities were displaced. Whether they felt Palestinian, Jordanian or whatever, they didn’t deserve to be forcibly expelled.
And nor do the Israelis who were born there now. They don’t deserve to be forced out.
There is no solution. Personally I’d like to see a one state solution. Equal rights for all. Take away the law imposing any religion and allow international right to return for 1948 refugees. Whoever is there now stays. But that’s hopelessly naive.

Arabs living in Mandatory Palestine were only forcibly displaced after Arab violence against Jews erupted, following the UN vote in 1947. Before that, not a single Arab had been forcibly displaced.

Jews came to a mostly empty land, they cultivated wasteland and bought land from absentee landlords. Nobody had been displaced nor should anyone have bee, had the Arabs not started a war they lost.

And when you speak of return for 1948 refugees, first of all why? What's special about them more than any other refugees in the last eight decades, who have no chance of return? But even if, do you mean just the actual refugees or all their descendants for eternity?

Yikes I know MN can be a nasty place but I wasn't expecting that so soon. If you don't want to explain then don't, you don't have to post to announce that you're not going to? I'm not trying to goad anything, I use MN to see other people's perspectives on things so I'm not always just hearing opinions from my own bubble.

@SameOldHill
What matters is that there were people living there, and that those local communities were displaced. Whether they felt Palestinian, Jordanian or whatever, they didn’t deserve to be forcibly expelled.
And nor do the Israelis who were born there now. They don’t deserve to be forced out.
There is no solution. Personally I’d like to see a one state solution. Equal rights for all. Take away the law imposing any religion and allow international right to return for 1948 refugees. Whoever is there now stays. But that’s hopelessly naive.

Arabs living in Mandatory Palestine were only forcibly displaced after Arab violence against Jews erupted, following the UN vote in 1947. Before that, not a single Arab had been forcibly displaced.

Jews came to a mostly empty land, they cultivated wasteland and bought land from absentee landlords. Nobody had been displaced nor should anyone have bee, had the Arabs not started a war they lost.

And when you speak of return for 1948 refugees, first of all why? What's special about them more than any other refugees in the last eight decades, who have no chance of return? But even if, do you mean just the actual refugees or all their descendants for eternity?

This would be me! I am a Yemenite Jew. Once we were thousands, in San’aa, Aden, Sha’arab, but today we are ZERO. We join our Iraqi, Iranian, Moroccan, Algerian, Libyan, Syrian, Egyptian, (insert MENA country of choice) who were forcibly exiled and ethnically cleansed from our countries with nowhere to go. No free hotel rooms and cable TV. No one to protest for us or to offer us refuge. We are the brown skinned Arab Jews you pretend do not exist. You tell us to go back to Poland because you are ignorant and hate Jews. We brown Arab speaking Jews had nowhere to go, so we made our way to where our ancestors once lived, to where our holiest sites were, to our temple walls. The few survivors from Europe found their way too. But of course the world did not like that the Jews were still alive, hence all the BS you read and hear today that rewrites our history and makes us out to be the oppressors. We, the most oppressed. I don’t know how the lies got so out of hand, I can only think that people believe what they want to be true.

Before they decided to break through the border and slaughter innocent Israelis, they used to go to work in droves to Israel. Egypt has a big border with them but us kit willing to take the risk. It is their own fault they are in this situation. I’m very sorry for them and my heart hurts for their children- but they made their decisions however everyone tries to frame it or justify it.

" Randomly out of nowhere" is the domestic abuser's " she made me do it" means of justification and lack of accountability.
But to further the point, why are Palestinians afforded the luxury of using history as justification for violence, but Israel not?
And why is this dependence upon bits and bobs of history ad justification for Palestinian violence and violence in her name then ignored and contemporary Gazan suffering inserted into debate when the Israeli position is being seen to be far more nuanced than " diablo!" , using citational history?

And why is terminology that is specific to Jewish suffering then inverted and used for Palestinians in a way that I have never seen in a debate pertaining to two opposing factions not involving Israel/Jews ( just getting ahead of the " language and meaning evolves !" deflection as explanation)?

If I had the time, I could bullet point the static mode of reasoning coming from the majority of "Pro Palestinian" posters online, including on CITME.
It does not suggest knowledge, depth, comprehension and suggests hyper emotionalism is a substitute for good character, as opposed to a sign of probable non optimum mental health.
And indeed it is , without contextual content , the enemy of debate.
In which case, why so scared of debate and even a soupcon of linear thought pertaining to this crisis?
Apparently now, the " genocide" has been going on since 2023.
Either the Pro Palestinians ( including the UN) do not know what a genocide is or there is a deliberate push to minimise Israeli suffering in order to justify its hopeful future annihilation in the eyes of the anti Semite UN and Pro Palestinians factions.
Maybe that is why the" Peace" Marchers only hold Israel as responsible for peace in a duo factional conflict?

All borders in Gaza have been closed to people and goods since 2007, when Hamas took over.

The Palestinians are trapped. They are not choosing to stay because they support Hamas. There is no choice.

As I said, you used to be able to pay smugglers a small fortune to hopefully get you out on the Egyptian side, but no more. Hence the outrage and calls that this is genocide. Because no one can leave. So their only options are to die of famine or bombs.

I wish we did. It was interesting to read what you said about the cost of getting out. I have struggled with understanding with why anyone would choose to remain somewhere like that, with Hamas in charge.

This is simply not true!! The Allenby bridge used to be the only way to get to Jordan overland. And it is illegal to be employed in Jordan but living in another country. How do they pay taxes? Or is this a city like Ramallah where the Arabs do not allow Jews inside but live off their tax money? Make it make sense please.

This is simply not true!! The Allenby bridge used to be the only way to get to Jordan overland. And it is illegal to be employed in Jordan but living in another country. How do they pay taxes? Or is this a city like Ramallah where the Arabs do not allow Jews inside but live off their tax money? Make it make sense please.

Oh and on whether I visited a synagogue, no I didn’t, I honestly can’t tell you whether there are any. As a Christian, I only visited Christian places of worship. I haven’t visited any synagogues in the UK either. I don't really think it’s terribly respectful to treat people’s places of worship as tourist destinations.

I did meet a couple of American Jewish tourists. I don’t think I came across any Jewish people living in Jordan. But why would they live there when Israel is just over the border?

I have travelled through Israel too many years ago and have very fond memories of the country and the people. In fact, I found it quite similar to Jordan which is unsurprising given the rural landscape is the same. If I was Jewish living in that region, I would definitely pick Israel to live in. It would be strange to live in Jordan.

Until a couple of weeks ago there was an easy border crossing between Amman, Jordan and the West Bank via the King Hussein Bridge. A lot of the taxi drivers in Amman actually live in the West Bank. I can only assume that they have now been forced to either leave their families to work or have left their jobs. Clearly you have never been to Jordan.

Why would I lie? Nowhere on this thread have I said whether I am pro Hamas or pro Israel government. I am neither. I am anti-war.

I do not judge the Palestinian people or the Israeli people any more than I would want to be judged as a British person for the Iraq war or the Boer war.

Until a couple of weeks ago there was an easy border crossing between Amman, Jordan and the West Bank via the King Hussein Bridge. A lot of the taxi drivers in Amman actually live in the West Bank. I can only assume that they have now been forced to either leave their families to work or have left their jobs. Clearly you have never been to Jordan.

Why would I lie? Nowhere on this thread have I said whether I am pro Hamas or pro Israel government. I am neither. I am anti-war.

I do not judge the Palestinian people or the Israeli people any more than I would want to be judged as a British person for the Iraq war or the Boer war.

Thank you. I’m promise you that you are on the right side of history. I spent 3 days reading this forum, all the comments about Israel and Jews and I promise you that when this is in the past and the truth emerges - 80% of these people will be considered like the Germans are considered before the Holocaust. I tell you one thing these people really get mad about: Jews fighting back and not being willing to get killed anymore.
Thank you.

I don’t believe a word of this. Mainly due to the person commuting to a whole other country to work. Where do they commute from in the WB? Which border crossing with Jordan? You are lying to make a point. By the way, in Jordan did you visit a synagogue or meet any Jewish people?

Why am I pro Israel?

When I seen the Palestinians celebrating in the streets after 9/11 and the London bombing.

The way they treat gay people too.

Have you considered all of the jews that were forcibly removed from the surrounding countries and had no choice but to move to Israel - and would not be safe living in any surrounding country?