The Flotilla and Greta - a PR disaster

I couldn’t see any facts in your post.

Did I miss them?

It clearly is anti Israel propaganda.

Happy for you to challenge any of the points I made in that post.

Sorry, I just don’t see any valuable contribution from Greta and her activist mates 🤷‍♀️
Just trying to draw attention to themselves while there are actual peace talks happening.

Pedantic much? OK. FURTHER highlighted it. You feel better with the adverb added?

Rights groups, genocide scholars, international politicians and a UN commission have concluded that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, citing evidence including mass killings of civilians.

The scale of child casualties dwarfs those from conflicts in Israel and occupied Palestinian territory and the broader region in recent

In Iraq over the 15-year period that encompassed the rise and destruction of the Islamic State “caliphate”, between 2008 and 2022, the UN verified 3,119 child deaths in war.

so the deaths of 20,000 plus children is anti Israeli propaganda??
I am sorry facts are inconvenient to your viewpoint

How can the Hamas list of victims be recognised as authoritative by Israel’s military? Do you have any links to prove that? The Guardian article links to an article about a retired IDF chief who was misquoted as saying 200,000 were dead. The recording of him speaking was in Hebrew.

You're telling me Hamas has ‘strict rules’ about inflating death figures?

Do they know how many were killed or injured by their own rockets fired indiscriminately from tents, IEDs, landmines, crossfire or deliberate shootings, executions, and the use of child soldiers?

You do realise the IDF evacuates areas before they bomb the tunnels and booby trapped buildings? There is plenty of evidence of Gazans showing the leaflets and telephone calls as well as them having their phones ready to record buildings coming down, so how it is being estimated there are people under the rubble of destroyed buildings?

Why would the war’s indirect victims be included in the casualty figures and why would they be classed as victims? Gaza has around 6,000 deaths a year from non conflict related reasons such as old age and illness. That would equate to 12,000 two years in. Hamas does not distinguish between natural and conflict related deaths so it is assumed this figure is included in the death toll.

blogs.timesofisrael.com/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-40000-deaths-in-gaza/

Every war creates a shortage of essentials, although it can be evidenced that Israel has facilitated more aid into Gaza than in any other war. They have no control over how Hamas uses it or distributes it when it’s inside Gaza.

There would be a lot more than 150 child deaths of starvation in two years if there was really was a famine in Gaza. At the famine level declared by the IPC, there would be 400 deaths A DAY by now. How many of those 150 children had pre-existing medical conditions like the children used as propaganda all over the news recently?

There were 436 deaths involving malnutrition in the UK in 2022 btw.

War is horrendous for civilians and certainly there have been lots of deaths and suffering, just as there is in every other war going on right now but your anti Israel propaganda doesn’t wash with me, and why has Hamas not surrendered before now or agreed to the current peace deal yet?

If it’s genuinely Greta’s account (and it seems like it is?), then it’s absolutely bonkers.
The picture of Evyatar David was on the news when it first came out, I remember seeing it on front pages.
How did she and whoever put together that lovely collage miss it?

In case someone thinks I have made this up (a bit like Greta's social media account) I haven't. The story of her social media posts claiming its poor Gazans when it was a Israeli hostage have hit mainstream newspapers now:

Someone (Greta and friends) ready does need to fact check before sharing misinformation to such a wide audience

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15171539/Greta-Thunberg-shares-post-highlighting-suffering-Palestinians-photo-Israeli-hostage-Evyatar-David.html

MIND YOU THE ISRALI HOSTAGE WAS INDEED SUFFERING.

Here are the names @TicklishMauveSquid

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/oct/08/young-lives-cut-short-on-an-unimaginable-scale-the-18457-children-on-gazas-list-of-war-dead

The list of named victims maintained by health authorities in Gaza is recognised as authoritative by the international community, the UN and Israel’s military, although Israeli politicians frequently try to dismiss it.
But the strict rules that ensure its credibility also mean it cannot capture the full scale of tragedy inflicted on Gaza’s children and their families.
Missing from the toll are the thousands of victims still buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings as well as the war’s many indirect victims. Israel’s blockade has created deadly shortages of food, medicine, clean water and fuel.
Starvation has killed at least 150 children.

I think reasonable people want the peace negotiations to work and that’s the main focus. There are probably mixed views on Greta, what they’re doing is mostly SM level stuff.

The flotilla’s have achieved huge support and highlighted Israel’s illegal activities at sea including an illegal blockade and the abduction of people from around the world from international waters. It has also highlighted their brutal treatment of people in prisons.

I have noticed more and more people are wearing pro Palestine items in my local area in the South West which I hadn’t seen much of before, also some car bumper stickers. A lot more people are becoming aware of the treatment of Palestinians and are standing up and saying “no more”.

Highlighted what? Everyone’s been aware of the conflict anyway.

She highlighted it. Used her fame / infamy to expose further.

I saw that. It appears no-one checks what they are spreading on her own social media - pictures of Israelis and posted as Gazans beggars belief. Do they fact check anything they share at all.

As expected she is well and not being tortured.

You think that the illegal naval blockade is PR?

The disassociation is staggering at this point. You can sit in your echo chamber and believe that everyone thinks what Israel is doing is right, or you can listen to others and accept that actually, it’s not okay.

No it hasn’t - it’s all made up PR bollocks.

Have you seen any of the videos from 7/10?

They really haven’t.

I think it’s hilarious that people try to say anything that happens has “damaged the cause”. Look outside of your bubble and realise that the majority of us don’t endorse violence, kidnap or detention without charge.

the flotilla has done exactly what it was meant to do. It has highlighted the illegal naval blockade and has given a first hand insight into how Israel treats its prisoners.

The only reason Greta did anything at all was to make people like you say "Well done Greta"

What exactly did Greta do what’s so laudable? What did she achieve?
Do you know that there are actual peace talks happening right now, all without the help of the flotilla activists?

I really don't get this mindset. What the Israel government and soldiers are doing to the Palestinians is absolutely horrific (not the Jewish people). That doesn't make me anti-Semitic. I think what Hamas did is terrible and there are many Jews who think what Israel is doing is abhorrent. Well done Greta for doing something. We all sit from our armchairs saying this side is right, this side is wrong etc while hundreds of children are dying or being horrifically maimed every day. It makes me despair of humanity.

I agree with you. I imagine, people remembering Israel for decades for starving, injured and dead children is exactly what Hamas wanted when they launched a war they knew they couldn’t win militarily.

No I don’t at all. Activists are going back to their 40 different countries giving reports of the brutality of the prison.

Some well seasoned activists, experienced people, some of which I know on those boats were very shuck up about the whole thing, having experienced both petty and extreme cruelty in this high security prison.

And The Ben-Gvir video was completely nuts. Like something you’d see come out of North Korea .

So I have a new respect for Greta.
She gave a very composed speech focusing on the plight of Palestinians. She’s clearly made of stern stuff.

It's all very well, listing the positive attributes.

But the fact remains. Israel is trying to wipe out a race of people.