Has Trump's pressure worked?

Where are the sanctions? They supply 15% of the components in the F-35 fighter jets which are used in airstrikes across the occupied Palestinian territory. They support the illegal settlers and apartheid in the West Bank by not enacting a ban on Israeli products from the occupied territories.

We all saw how quickly countries reacted with sanctions towards Russia. That is fresh in our minds. Day in day out for 2 years we have seen children blown to pieces, children starving, screaming for their dead parents, heard genocidal rhetoric from batshit Israeli government and military members and nothing. Just a few wishy words, calm down now lads, maybe you are going to far but we will continue to refuse to actually step in and sanction for these awful acts.

I hope a lasting peace is achieved however they will be fighting each other again in a depressingly short time

You are very outspoken about your loathing for Israel.

It’s odd that conflagrations and ‘genocides’ elsewhere do not incite your opprobrium- the genocide against Christians in Syria for example.

It appears you save up all your criticism for the only Jewish state which leaves you open to accusations of racism and anti Semitism.

Would you consider yourself to be anti semitic?

How exactly has the Government of the UK done these things, in fact they have condemned them.

This is exactly what I am worried about. An angry Islamo-far left protesters has taken the actions of another country (Israel) and transplanted them to blame the Government of another country (UK) - all in the name of anti Western/ capitalist ideology.

It's a small step for a minority from this group to then wish to take terrorist action against Western societies.

Well, we will see won’t we? Because if there is a peace deal, presumably if the marches and protests are all about the horror of genocide, the protestors will now be protesting the genocide now in its third year in Sudan? Or the one in the Amhara and Tigray regions in Ethiopia? Or Azerbijan? I mean if it is nothing to do with anti semitism and all to do with caring about the victims of genocides, these protestors and marches will start focussing on all the other ones now? Yes?

Those afflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome put their prejudice before their desire for peace.
Odd but not surprising.

Well link to multiple threads where Yemen and Syria are discussed to such a degree and I'll stand corrected because at the moment it looks like some of you are indeed only outraged when Israel are involved.

If your view point was genuinely the case about wanting for ordinary Palestinian civilians to be able to live peaceful lives away from being menaced by armed groups then we would have seen calls on these marches against Hamas, against Hezbollah and against the Houthis. Instead we have seen a minority of protesters actively supporting these groups, majority being silent and on the rare occasions someone has openly come out against Hamas they have been physically attacked.

I genuinely worry that following the hopeful end to the terrible war in Gaza that many of these protesters along with their anger will create further violence and disruption to Western society and Western values.

Just because the current conflict in Gaza may end it doesn't mean that these angry people or their hatred for the West, Western values and Western liberal capitalism will go away.

Killing and maiming 50000 children, creating the most child amputees per capita in the world, creating man made famine, displacing 100% of a population, sexually assaulting and torturing detainees, stealing people's homes, apartheid, none of these are 'Western values'. It's the fact that our governments aren't adhering to our values and have continued to support Israel as they have starved, killed maimed innocent people by their 1000s that has made people angry.

That was just a tongue in cheek joke BTW.
We all have causes and concerns we feel passionate about.

'Gosh! Equally, I do wonder what some posters would do with their time if they weren’t so busy justifying the deaths of tens of thousands of children'

<sighs>

No-one has 'justified deaths' just rather patiently tried to explain to you this is what happens in a conflict. It happened in Yemen, it happened in Syria. I don't recall anyone on here accusing Saudi of 'genocide'. In fact, such was the lack of interest in any of the ME conflicts this board didn't even exist until Israel retaliated to mass atrocities committed on Oct 7th. I wonder why?

There's always immigrants to discuss so all is not loss for them 😁

I’ve been on the CITME forum for months now and can confidently say yes, a lot of them genuinely do. I’ve been accused countless times of “hating Israel” or being “pro-Hamas”, simply for posting about the humanitarian crisis caused by Israel’s actions and the devastating numbers of children killed, wounded and orphaned.

I wouldn't celebrate just yet.

The fact is that there is a strange collaboration between far left liberals with progressive views on women's rights, gay issues, trans rights, abortion, structural racism etc etc on one hand and extreme Islamists on the other hand with opposite views on women being subordinate to men, violently anti gay, violently anti trans, anti abortion and overtly racist views on other religions.

The only thing unites these two seemingly polar opposite groups is vehement opposition to established Western values, the West itself and Western liberal capitalism.

The last two years has seen a lot of angry people, weekly protests, terrorist action against the British military and attacks on the police and lastly
open sympathy for such designated terrorist groups.

Just because the current conflict in Gaza may end it doesn't mean that these angry people or their hatred for the West, Western values and Western liberal capitalism will go away.

Instead given the violent actions of some of this grouping and a larger support for such actions, I fear that they will simply morph into more future Islamo-far left anti western terrorist attacks.

Gosh! Equally, I do wonder what some posters would do with their time if they weren’t so busy justifying the deaths of tens of thousands of children.

Even if peace does come, it doesn’t erase what’s already happened- the sheer scale of atrocities can’t just be brushed aside. I just hope one day there’s real justice for what’s been done and that those responsible, Netanyahu, are properly held to account for war crimes.

Do you honestly think that being anti genocide means you’re anti semitic?

It's good to see theres only a handful of keffiyeh wearers have turned out for today's pro pal protest in London. They must be being respectful following the recent terrorist attack on Jews.

Or maybe just bored that the situation is hopefully resolving so they've moved on. Hard to tell.

I am very happy that the hostages are being released. I hope those who are still alive manage a full recovery and are fully supported.

I also hope that the people of Palestine are supported as they try to rebuild their country, and I hope Israel adheres to their side of the bargain and ceases military action.

So because you’ve seen a few clips on YouTube, you’ve concluded that many pro-Palestine demonstrators support Hamas and Hezbollah? That’s a pretty big leap. The vast majority of people on those marches are calling for a ceasefire, an end to occupation, and the right for Palestinians to live freely- not supporting armed groups. Conflating humanitarian protest with extremism is exactly how legitimate calls for justice get silenced.

I am not. These views are rife on forums and YouTube. And ‘from the river to the sea’ was still being chanted on the demos that took place on the same day as the synagogue attack. It’s all there to see on YouTube

' I think this is the point where we see the difference between those who want peace and those that seem to nurse a grievance against Israel'

Yes, it's almost as if some posters will be disappointed that there won't be a platform to air their 'Israel are genociders' hate anymore. All very sad and quite depressing.

There’s something quite child-like, black/white about it all!

Could we have verified evidence that

“many pro Palestine demonstrators actually lend their support to Hamas and Hezbollah, especially via Kneecap etc.”

please. You are spreading hate and misinformation.

Normal is defined by your population of course.

World population is quite a few billion now, should we all think the same way? Evidence suggests otherwise.