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Has Trump's pressure worked?

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mids2019 · 04/10/2025 05:31

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn0xvnxqj2xt

So it looks like Hamas have agreed to free hostages! I guess being holed up in Gaza with no hope of winning does tend to sharpen even the most suicidal terrorist.

I start have agreed to ramp down their military campaign. I don't know if this news is enough to get the pro Palestinian loons to not go out protesting this weekend but it certainly is significant.

The question of disarming is the key one for Hamas and I wonder if Israel were premature in winding down military activity when they had already gained the concession of hostage release?.

Live updates: Trump tells Israel to stop bombing Gaza as Hamas agrees to release hostages

The US president says he believes Hamas is "ready for a lasting peace", as the group seeks further negotiations on his peace proposal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn0xvnxqj2xt

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Timeforabitofpeace · 09/10/2025 13:34

The war has not completely ended yet. It hasn’t even been agreed by his cabinet. Let’s not jump the gun proclaiming anyone as delivering peace just now.

1dayatatime · 09/10/2025 10:52

HellsBalls · 08/10/2025 20:38

I would not bet against a ceasefire being announced tomorrow and Trump getting the Nobel prize, if not this year then next.

Well the first part of your bet came true. However I think it is extremely unlikely that Trump will get the Nobel Peace Prize, not based on facts (because the reality is that he has been heavily involved in peace negotiations) but based on yhe emotion of the left leaning academics of the Nobel Committee who decide on who wins.

For them to choose Trump (a man they politically hate) would be unpalatable regardless of the facts. Interestingly Obama got the Nobel Prize in 2009 and openly admitted that he had no idea of why he was awarded it.

Timeforabitofpeace · 09/10/2025 10:29

@Twiglets1 there's still plenty of caution around.

Guardian “the devils in the detail”, or BBC saying it’s a significant moment but there are still plenty of details to be worked out “. We’ll see. I very much hope so.

Twiglets1 · 09/10/2025 10:22

Timeforabitofpeace · 09/10/2025 10:18

Too early to say, with those extreme right lunatics who are on the right of the Netanyahu camp, as reported everywhere.

Netanyahu has cross party support to endorse this deal even if a couple of the more extreme right wing members of his government aren’t in agreement with it.

Timeforabitofpeace · 09/10/2025 10:18

Too early to say, with those extreme right lunatics who are on the right of the Netanyahu camp, as reported everywhere.

VillaDiodati · 09/10/2025 10:16

Timelineuk · 04/10/2025 10:26

As if talking about Trump as if he’s some peace maker makes this thread even more weird. Not going to wash for any of us now. Trump isn’t in it for peace

It doesn't matter what Trump is 'in it for' if he and the mediating countries can put an end to the horrors faced by the people of Palestine and the Israeli hostages. He's done more to end this war than any other world leader and I hope he succeeds. Some people are going to hate Trump no matter what he does.

JacknDiane · 09/10/2025 08:37

Let's hope Trump has pulled a blinder.
🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞

HellsBalls · 08/10/2025 20:38

I would not bet against a ceasefire being announced tomorrow and Trump getting the Nobel prize, if not this year then next.

NototerrorismIntheUK · 05/10/2025 22:08

Miini · 05/10/2025 08:30

I would like to join a march. I think most of the marchers are like me, just outraged by the genocide happening. I have friends who go and say it’s mostly peaceful protesters, people take their kids etc
I do think certain media and people fully in support of the Israeli government on this is trying to paint a picture of all marchers as anti semitic Hamas worshippers as of shutting the protests down and deflecting. I see that on these threads all the time too. If you are against the genocide, you are anti semitic, supporting Hamas…However, I have never joined a march as I just don’t want to march with any Hamas supporters even of only a small %. I live in London and I am going to see for myself one day.

If you join a march you will see plenty of Hamas support. You will hear 'globaluse the intifada '. You will see and hear people shout ed down if they mention Hamas. You will see support for a proscribed terrorist organisation. You will see anti semitism. You will hear chanting in support of terrorists. Go see for yourself and watch the people not challenge all of that. Go see the hatred and bile spouted in the UK.

SharonEllis · 05/10/2025 18:49

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 05/10/2025 18:45

I’ll be honest, I did a double take of the username 😂

I'm not an actual monster 😆

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 05/10/2025 18:45

SharonEllis · 05/10/2025 18:40

Hurrah! 🙂

I’ll be honest, I did a double take of the username 😂

SharonEllis · 05/10/2025 18:40

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 05/10/2025 18:39

Something I wholeheartedly agree with!

Hurrah! 🙂

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 05/10/2025 18:39

SharonEllis · 05/10/2025 16:20

Of course its not too little too late. It should help with the anti immigration and anti asylum protests too which are set to continue and are designed to harass and intimidate.

Something I wholeheartedly agree with!

SharonEllis · 05/10/2025 16:20

Of course its not too little too late. It should help with the anti immigration and anti asylum protests too which are set to continue and are designed to harass and intimidate.

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SharonEllis · 05/10/2025 11:50

1dayatatime · 05/10/2025 10:44

I think you are absolutely correct that Israel's actions in Gaza, the death of civilians and destruction of Gaza significantly increases the chances of future terrorist attacks in the UK - we have already seen an attack on an RAF base, a policewoman attacked and severely injured in a sledgehammer attack and most recently the Manchester Synagogue terrorist attack.

But what is interesting is why specifically the war in Gaza elicts such anger and hatred in the UK to create such terrorist attacks along with supporters of terrorist action in the UK?

If it was sheer numbers of casualties then why is the Sudan conflict not generating terrorist attacks and terrorist supporters in the UK.
If it was Western support then why didn't the Saudi/ Yemen conflict not generate terrorist attacks and terrorist supporters in the UK.
If it was genuine genocide then why is the Uighur persecution not generating terrorist attacks and terrorist supporters in the UK.
If it was ethnic cleansing then then why is the expulsion by Pakistan of ethic Afghans that have been in Pakistan for decades not generating terrorist attacks and terrorist supporters in the UK.

The simple answer is that the Israeli/ Gaza conflict involves Jews and their Western conservative supporters. This in turn attracts the anti semetic and anti Western strange alliance of extreme Islamists and the far left. What is more worrying is that it has also become on trend on social media for many many more uninformed left leaning people.

The war in Gaza will end in the near future but the anger from Islamo-far left along with social media trending supporters will not end with it.

Also as we have seen from the Times article shared below the anti semitism and hatred is there for all to see.

All this greatly increases the likelihood that in the future there will be more terrorist attacks in the UK in the name of "Gaza" plus a very worrying level of support for these terrorist attacks.

Lastly through your post linking the deaths and destruction in Gaza by Israel to recent and future terrorist attacks you are already blaming Israel for them, rather than Islam- far left groups plus their supporters on the protests, whom you sympathise with.

There are scary days ahead of us.

Well said.

1dayatatime · 05/10/2025 10:47

Miini · 05/10/2025 08:48

I am already what I can in terms of not buying anything from Israel (haven’t for many years) and donating money to aid organisations who are doing a good job also speaking up about Gaza like Doctors Without Borders.

I would describe your actions as "help not hate" seeking to directly help this affected rather than anger at either Hamas or Israel.

Along with being a much better person than the majority of posters on this thread (myself included).

1dayatatime · 05/10/2025 10:44

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 04/10/2025 23:27

Interesting. What about Israel’s actions over the past few years? Do you think deliberately bombing schools, hospitals, and killing tens of thousands of children is likely to prevent future terrorism- or to fuel it?

I think you are absolutely correct that Israel's actions in Gaza, the death of civilians and destruction of Gaza significantly increases the chances of future terrorist attacks in the UK - we have already seen an attack on an RAF base, a policewoman attacked and severely injured in a sledgehammer attack and most recently the Manchester Synagogue terrorist attack.

But what is interesting is why specifically the war in Gaza elicts such anger and hatred in the UK to create such terrorist attacks along with supporters of terrorist action in the UK?

If it was sheer numbers of casualties then why is the Sudan conflict not generating terrorist attacks and terrorist supporters in the UK.
If it was Western support then why didn't the Saudi/ Yemen conflict not generate terrorist attacks and terrorist supporters in the UK.
If it was genuine genocide then why is the Uighur persecution not generating terrorist attacks and terrorist supporters in the UK.
If it was ethnic cleansing then then why is the expulsion by Pakistan of ethic Afghans that have been in Pakistan for decades not generating terrorist attacks and terrorist supporters in the UK.

The simple answer is that the Israeli/ Gaza conflict involves Jews and their Western conservative supporters. This in turn attracts the anti semetic and anti Western strange alliance of extreme Islamists and the far left. What is more worrying is that it has also become on trend on social media for many many more uninformed left leaning people.

The war in Gaza will end in the near future but the anger from Islamo-far left along with social media trending supporters will not end with it.

Also as we have seen from the Times article shared below the anti semitism and hatred is there for all to see.

All this greatly increases the likelihood that in the future there will be more terrorist attacks in the UK in the name of "Gaza" plus a very worrying level of support for these terrorist attacks.

Lastly through your post linking the deaths and destruction in Gaza by Israel to recent and future terrorist attacks you are already blaming Israel for them, rather than Islam- far left groups plus their supporters on the protests, whom you sympathise with.

There are scary days ahead of us.

Twiglets1 · 05/10/2025 08:55

Miini · 05/10/2025 08:48

I am already what I can in terms of not buying anything from Israel (haven’t for many years) and donating money to aid organisations who are doing a good job also speaking up about Gaza like Doctors Without Borders.

Then I think you are doing better things than marching because you are showing your solidarity for Gazans in truly peaceful ways that don’t intimidate other members of the community, especially Jewish people.

I’m sure most of the protesters are decent people but unfortunately this cause does attract a minority who are happy to express racism against Jews.

JacknDiane · 05/10/2025 08:53

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 04/10/2025 10:20

The tone of this whole thread is grim.
Sneering at anyone who’s called for an end to mass civilian deaths. You can condemn Hamas without mocking those who want accountability and peace. The constant digs about “mobs”, “loons” and “nursing wounds” say far more about the posters here than about the people marching.

Please don’t spread hate or misinformation under the guise of political debate.

Absolutely this.

SharonEllis · 05/10/2025 08:52

@Twiglets1 there was a lot that felt familiar, I agree.

Twiglets1 · 05/10/2025 08:49

SharonEllis · 05/10/2025 08:20

I'm sure you know you can read 2 articles a week for free but here is the Syed article anyway published yesterday in The Times. What is so very interesting is the response he gets from the wider crowd compared to those who carry antisemitic and pro Hamas placards or chant the chants on marches. Have we ever heard of them being rounded on by the marchers or turfed out of the marches? I don't think so. Because they are central to them. Here is the article:

I approach a group of three women — perhaps in their fifties, brown-skinned, British accents — and one of them recognises me: “You are that journalist Matthew Syed.” Yes, can you talk? They assent so I ask what I take to be a fair-minded question to elicit their position and why they are here. “Who do you blame for what is unfolding in Gaza? Do you think Hamas bears any responsibility?”
For the avoidance of doubt, this was the extent of my question. I didn’t say anything else about Hamas: that their founding charter is committed to the killing of Jews; that they have consistently said that they wish to commit October 7-style atrocities again and again; that they are funded by Iran, which wishes to expunge Israel from the pages of history; that the mullahs have sometimes insinuated that Muslims have a duty to kill Jews wherever they are found — perhaps, who knows, the inspiration for a man called Jihad, born to a Syrian father who described the Hamas attackers as “men of God on Earth”, attempting mass murder in Manchester.

No, all I asked was: “Is Hamas partly responsible?” Here’s what happened next, as their friendly faces turned to, well, something else. “Go away,” one said. “Go away. You are a bad faith actor. We don’t want to talk to you. Just f* off. It’s a really boring old line. You are disgusting.” “I am disgusting?” “Yes, you are disgusting. You are not a journalist. It’s very clear what your position is here.” Now, their voices were getting louder: “Piss off.” “Thanks for your time, I appreciate it,” I said retreating, but they were not finished. “What are you doing here anyway? You are prejudiced. Hopefully nobody will ever buy a book you write. You are a charlatan. You are a fucking racist.”

Those surrounding us started to join in. “Well said, sister.” “Yeah, well said!” Others in the enclosure began to applaud. I noticed a tall man with a Palestinian flag a few metres away and he pointed at me, although I wasn’t sure why. A younger woman approached and said: “I have seen you all afternoon trying to get a rise from people.” “I only asked if Hamas is partly responsible. Is that so very provocative?” “You are here to cause trouble and you are going to get trouble,” she said.

I wish I could tell you that this was a one-off but I spoke to at least two dozen people and, with two exceptions (including a lovely black guy from north London who conversed intelligently and politely), the motivation for being here was obvious, potent and implacable. The hatred of Jews. I heard conspiracy theories (October 7 was a false flag operation), blood libels, and the pervasive view that the Manchester atrocity was not a heinous attack but righteous comeuppance for an evil people. My sense is that many felt liberated to say what they really thought by the proximity of like-minded others; the classic symptom of mob mentality.
What perhaps struck me the most was the vivid contrast between the ostensibly peaceful nature of the protest — holding flags, going limp when arrested so they had to be lifted by four officers at a time — and the latent violence of the views. As police carried off an elderly protester who I’d talked to a little earlier (and who was convinced of the virtue of his hateful opinions), protesters started shouting at the young officers: “Shame on you! Shame on you!” “But are they not following the instruction of a democratically elected government — even if you disagree with it — and upholding the rule of law?” “F democracy. F the police.”
Few would tell me their names, except for Julia and Ian, Musa from north London, Ahmed from Oxford and Jeremy from Lyme Regis; all the rest wished to spout their hate anonymously. Perhaps you will say that these people are not representative of the UK, but with protests in London and Manchester in the aftermath of Thursday’s attack on the holiest day in the Jewish calendar, and the dozens of other marches that have taken place since October 7, it is difficult to overestimate the potent and increasingly assertive nature of antisemitism.
You perhaps won’t be surprised to hear that most were virulently left wing. I almost felt like crying as another anonymous hater — perhaps 22, white, middle-class accent — started to lecture me about intersectionality and colonialist oppression. It was like woke bingo. I couldn’t help asking about the oppression of women in Gaza but her face went blank. “How the f* do you know women are treated badly?” Er, Amnesty International. This momentarily fazed her since she couldn’t quite place Amnesty in the institutional framework of the Jew-funded global conspiracy. But she recovered quickly: “Well, I haven’t read about that, but I have read about Jewish occupation and genocide.”
Another striking thing in this age of free-flowing digital information was the incuriosity of this supposedly politically motivated group. Trump announced a potential end to the Gaza conflict in a diplomatic coup last Monday when almost a dozen Muslim nations signing up to a proposed peace deal, alongside Israel. I am no Trump fan, and the proposal may yet fall apart, but there is no chance that this could have been achieved by Joe Biden, let alone Kamala Harris. Coming on top of the seminal Abraham Accords, it testifies to the diplomatic tenacity of the American president.
But how did they feel about this breakthrough here? How did protesters who “weep” for Gazans feel about the prospect the killing might end? I can assert that almost nobody I spoke to showed the slightest interest. “I haven’t kept up with that one.” “I haven’t read about it.” “If Netanyahu signed up, it must be awful.” But surely it is a good thing if it brings to an end the slaughter? Hesitation. “But it won’t be a just peace.” I didn’t need to ask the follow-up question because the answer was obvious. No peace can be just if it involves the LITTLE satan particularly when in concert with the Big Satan.
Joseph Henrich, the Harvard anthropologist, has said that ideology “doesn’t just blind; it binds”. Nowhere is this more true than with antisemitism. Many of these people do not just hate Jewish people, they have an ideology to justify and legitimise their hatred; one conveniently protected from doubt by the unwillingness to engage with anything that challenges it. In this sense, it is not so very different from the myopic fundamentalism of the group so many here admire. Hamas.
I left Trafalgar Square even more convinced that the government has demonstrated criminal complacency about the rise in antisemitism over recent years. Now is the time for robust action. Otherwise we will see more atrocities like Manchester, and ever greater fear among a group that has made a huge contribution to this nation and regarded it once as a place of refuge.

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Very powerful, thank you for posting.

I do recognise much of what Syed observes, in particular the surprising (or not) lack of interest in engaging with the prospect of peace from many that profess to weep for Gazans. If you care more about point scoring than peace then you really need to examine your motivation for being so invested in this particular war.

Miini · 05/10/2025 08:48

SharonEllis · 05/10/2025 08:36

There are other ways to protest without standing alongside antisemites and Hamas supporters Everyone can make that choice.You can also choose to actively support the Jewish community at the same time.

I am already what I can in terms of not buying anything from Israel (haven’t for many years) and donating money to aid organisations who are doing a good job also speaking up about Gaza like Doctors Without Borders.

SharonEllis · 05/10/2025 08:36

Miini · 05/10/2025 08:30

I would like to join a march. I think most of the marchers are like me, just outraged by the genocide happening. I have friends who go and say it’s mostly peaceful protesters, people take their kids etc
I do think certain media and people fully in support of the Israeli government on this is trying to paint a picture of all marchers as anti semitic Hamas worshippers as of shutting the protests down and deflecting. I see that on these threads all the time too. If you are against the genocide, you are anti semitic, supporting Hamas…However, I have never joined a march as I just don’t want to march with any Hamas supporters even of only a small %. I live in London and I am going to see for myself one day.

There are other ways to protest without standing alongside antisemites and Hamas supporters Everyone can make that choice.You can also choose to actively support the Jewish community at the same time.

Miini · 05/10/2025 08:30

I would like to join a march. I think most of the marchers are like me, just outraged by the genocide happening. I have friends who go and say it’s mostly peaceful protesters, people take their kids etc
I do think certain media and people fully in support of the Israeli government on this is trying to paint a picture of all marchers as anti semitic Hamas worshippers as of shutting the protests down and deflecting. I see that on these threads all the time too. If you are against the genocide, you are anti semitic, supporting Hamas…However, I have never joined a march as I just don’t want to march with any Hamas supporters even of only a small %. I live in London and I am going to see for myself one day.

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