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Hamas won't disarm - that is the barrier to peace

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mids2019 · 03/10/2025 06:35

So Hamas probably will reject a peace plan that has been globally accepted including the PA as it refused to disarm. Hasan fighters would rather carry on basically a suicidal guerrilla campaign rather than lay down arms for a peace so many right minded people desperately want.

Don't Hamas realise they will lose Gaza and effectively their 'fighting' force will be groups of jihadis who engage in occasional small arms fire that in all likelihood result in their deaths? What sort of mind set does this group have where they are willing to prolong a vicious war with no thought to the people they are meant to stand for?

Hamas hope is grounded only in the West being weak and applying more pressure on Israel and conceding to the terrorist Hamas. If the West more fully backs Israel now then Hamas may lose that one deranged hope and possibly their doomed war may end.

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Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 03/10/2025 07:54

I think any (any even small) hope that Hamas would disarm, was destroyed when Netanyahu said that Israel would use force if necessary to prevent a Palestinian state.

Given most of the international community is pro a two-state solution and has declared the state of Palestine, perhaps a compromised solution is needed. This would mean proper international assurances that could be relied on that if Israel tried to use force to prevent a two-stage solution, If certain conditions were met, that other countries would come to their military aid. That way they have no weapons themselves, but a visceral attacks them with the intent of stopping a two-state solution, someone else will step in on their behalf.

MiseryIn · 03/10/2025 07:39

There is a reason that even the Arab states don’t come out in support of the situation. Hamas are radicalised lunatics and use the Palastinian population as human shields and bait.

localnotail · 03/10/2025 07:33

Because they don't want that. Their primary goal is to eliminate the whole of Israel, by methods demonstrated on the 7th October. At the moment, the situation there is "kill or be killed" which is totally horrendous.

I sympathise massively with the plight of civilians in Gaza but when I see someone brandishing "from the river to the sea" slogan I feel total despair.

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mids2019 · 03/10/2025 06:55

There was a guarantee of cessation of hostilities and Israeli withdrawal. ....and yet they refuse 😕

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muggart · 03/10/2025 06:50

Well yeah because there’s no guarantee of a palestinian state in the peace plan.

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mids2019 · 03/10/2025 06:45

It is indeed, even the Guardian, admit 'armed' resistance is part of Gazan DNA and they view the right to continue their struggle i.e. killing Jews as part of their heritage and culture. If peace ever comes about that mentality has to somehow change but as Manchester shows the mindset of terrorism is widespread and can be gklobalised.
One thing that does need to change is that going Gazan men aren't continually radicalized to think this is the only way of life (and death) but that may take a long rime.

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JustGoClickLikeALightSwitch · 03/10/2025 06:41

engage in occasional small arms fire that in all likelihood result in their deaths?

They don’t care, because they’ll be welcomed into paradise by 72 virgins yadda yadda.

What sort of mind set does this group have where they are willing to prolong a vicious war with no thought to the people they are meant to stand for?

They are a Jihadi death cult and are absolutely fine martyring their own population. That’s the nature of what they do.

GentleSheep · 03/10/2025 06:40

Hamas don't use reason they way we would do, they will fight to the death and won't care if they take most of their people with them. They will not be seen to lose. Their aim it to eliminate all Jews and Israel, it's difficult to fathom that depth of hatred.