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Hamas won't disarm - that is the barrier to peace

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mids2019 · 03/10/2025 06:35

So Hamas probably will reject a peace plan that has been globally accepted including the PA as it refused to disarm. Hasan fighters would rather carry on basically a suicidal guerrilla campaign rather than lay down arms for a peace so many right minded people desperately want.

Don't Hamas realise they will lose Gaza and effectively their 'fighting' force will be groups of jihadis who engage in occasional small arms fire that in all likelihood result in their deaths? What sort of mind set does this group have where they are willing to prolong a vicious war with no thought to the people they are meant to stand for?

Hamas hope is grounded only in the West being weak and applying more pressure on Israel and conceding to the terrorist Hamas. If the West more fully backs Israel now then Hamas may lose that one deranged hope and possibly their doomed war may end.

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GentleSheep · 03/10/2025 21:41

Apparently Hamas have accepted Trump's deal 'in part', so not an outright rejection

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxq7zp7002o

Lonelycrab · 03/10/2025 21:29

User5306921 · 03/10/2025 21:26

How many times has Netanyahu broken peace agreements already?

And how far can anyone trust Trump too.

User5306921 · 03/10/2025 21:26

EasternStandard · 03/10/2025 21:22

A response from Hamas.

Hamas tells Trump: We will release all hostages and negotiate

How many times has Netanyahu broken peace agreements already?

TomeTome · 03/10/2025 21:25

PollyPaintsFlowers · 03/10/2025 21:15

Why are you conflating Jews with Israel?

So if someone is against the Gaza war, that means you must be against Jews too?

Do you realise how silly you sound?

No that’s not what I said at all.

EasternStandard · 03/10/2025 21:22

A response from Hamas.

Hamas tells Trump: We will release all hostages and negotiate

PollyPaintsFlowers · 03/10/2025 21:15

TomeTome · 03/10/2025 20:32

If being Pro-Jewish means you agree with the utter horror that has been unfolding in Palestine then I doubt whatever you call your God will make much difference come judgement day.

Why are you conflating Jews with Israel?

So if someone is against the Gaza war, that means you must be against Jews too?

Do you realise how silly you sound?

Lonelycrab · 03/10/2025 20:53

Wrt to the op,

Hamas won’t disarm. They are an evil death cult as has been said, holding the innocents in Gaza (vast majority) ransom

The unreasonable peace offering will fail, it was only ever a vague swipe at a Nobel by Trump but it also gives carte Blanche to BN, hence his smiles.

And Netanyahu will raze the ground to entirety in the coming weeks.

I do hope I’m wrong (am sure I’ll get attacked left right and centre for posting my thoughts anyway) but that’s my prediction.

Lonelycrab · 03/10/2025 20:43

DIYagainstMould · 03/10/2025 20:04

Thanks God I am Christian and pro-Jewish

My personal belief is that there is no god or sky fairies of any description, the belief of such sky faries is exactly the reason the world has so many problems…but if the thought that there are gives you self belief in your life that might be a good thing for you.

But I also know that the tenets of Christianity are love, forgiveness and understanding, so I’m curious as to why you don’t extend those to your innocent Palestinian brothers and sisters (under bombardment and grave threat) too.

TomeTome · 03/10/2025 20:32

DIYagainstMould · 03/10/2025 20:04

Thanks God I am Christian and pro-Jewish

If being Pro-Jewish means you agree with the utter horror that has been unfolding in Palestine then I doubt whatever you call your God will make much difference come judgement day.

DIYagainstMould · 03/10/2025 20:04

Thanks God I am Christian and pro-Jewish

LilyCanna · 03/10/2025 19:59

I don't suppose the terms of the deal include returning all the land illegally seized by settlers in the West Bank?

User5306921 · 03/10/2025 19:45

RingoJuice · 03/10/2025 10:27

Why would you reward a state for what they did on 10/7? Tbh they have lost this war (that they started) and refuse to concede.

Reward is an odd choice of word to use.
Palestine is recognised by other countries as being its own state.
Netanyahu knew that they would never agree to this clause which is probably why he included it. Add to that that Nethanyahu cannot be trusted so there is absolutely no point in Hamas agreeing to it.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 03/10/2025 19:43

BoredZelda · 03/10/2025 19:38

The other problem with ii is, you wipe out one death cult, you sow the seeds of another. I daresay the people of Palestine, and many who support them, won’t be dissuaded that anti-Semitism is wrong when a Jewish Government is killing them. I don’t know what the answer is to stamp out anti-Semitism in the Middle East, but I know that what’s happening now isn’t it.

There was antisemitism by Arabs long before Israel was re-established.

How many seeds have been sown since the demise of ISIS and Al Qaeeda? Were more Nazis crates by the Allies fighting them in WW2?

Stop trying to justify antisemitism, would you justify islamaphobia? Did you go round saying it would be hard to dissuade people that islamaphobia is wrong after 7/7 or 9/11?

BoredZelda · 03/10/2025 19:38

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 03/10/2025 18:51

So, what’s on the table now is, I believe, (i) that a fanatical antisemitic death cult disbands and nobody else pursues its aim of wiping out Israel and Jews. Or, failing that, (ii) Israel continues its armed mission to wipe out the fanatical antisemitic death cult.

The attraction of (i), I believe, is that Israeli hostages get released, that massive efforts are made to rebuild a better home for Palestinians, and that Israel has greater confidence in its security.

I have to say that (ii) seems much more likely. Fanatical antisemitic death cults do not go quietly. And they have every incentive not to do so because of the support they get from useful idiots (most of whom are themselves antisemites) in the west.

The other problem with ii is, you wipe out one death cult, you sow the seeds of another. I daresay the people of Palestine, and many who support them, won’t be dissuaded that anti-Semitism is wrong when a Jewish Government is killing them. I don’t know what the answer is to stamp out anti-Semitism in the Middle East, but I know that what’s happening now isn’t it.

GinaDav · 03/10/2025 19:38

Ihatetomatoes · 03/10/2025 08:25

This.

Arabs understand that Hamas are a jihadi death cult but stupid people here don't appear to realise that the best way for Palestinians is getting rid of hamas not enabling them to continue in their aims.

This is what Hamas do to Pro Palestinian westerners

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13088630?app-referrer=deep-link%3C/a%3E

Did you not read your own link? It wasn’t Hamas who did that.

BoredZelda · 03/10/2025 19:32

Similarly, offering something to someone you know will never accept it, isn’t really negotiating. Netanyahu has refused to consider a two state solution. That’s also a barrier to peace.

Whomever did what to whomever, if two sides are to find peace, they both have to compromise.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 03/10/2025 19:28

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 03/10/2025 18:51

So, what’s on the table now is, I believe, (i) that a fanatical antisemitic death cult disbands and nobody else pursues its aim of wiping out Israel and Jews. Or, failing that, (ii) Israel continues its armed mission to wipe out the fanatical antisemitic death cult.

The attraction of (i), I believe, is that Israeli hostages get released, that massive efforts are made to rebuild a better home for Palestinians, and that Israel has greater confidence in its security.

I have to say that (ii) seems much more likely. Fanatical antisemitic death cults do not go quietly. And they have every incentive not to do so because of the support they get from useful idiots (most of whom are themselves antisemites) in the west.

Oops, sorry. Meant to quote and reply to this post

PollyPaintsFlowers · 03/10/2025 19:28

EasternStandard · 03/10/2025 19:18

Sadly I think you might be right. If they do accept then I’ll be surprised. Hopeful but doubtful.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell

EasternStandard · 03/10/2025 19:18

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 03/10/2025 18:51

So, what’s on the table now is, I believe, (i) that a fanatical antisemitic death cult disbands and nobody else pursues its aim of wiping out Israel and Jews. Or, failing that, (ii) Israel continues its armed mission to wipe out the fanatical antisemitic death cult.

The attraction of (i), I believe, is that Israeli hostages get released, that massive efforts are made to rebuild a better home for Palestinians, and that Israel has greater confidence in its security.

I have to say that (ii) seems much more likely. Fanatical antisemitic death cults do not go quietly. And they have every incentive not to do so because of the support they get from useful idiots (most of whom are themselves antisemites) in the west.

Sadly I think you might be right. If they do accept then I’ll be surprised. Hopeful but doubtful.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 03/10/2025 18:51

So, what’s on the table now is, I believe, (i) that a fanatical antisemitic death cult disbands and nobody else pursues its aim of wiping out Israel and Jews. Or, failing that, (ii) Israel continues its armed mission to wipe out the fanatical antisemitic death cult.

The attraction of (i), I believe, is that Israeli hostages get released, that massive efforts are made to rebuild a better home for Palestinians, and that Israel has greater confidence in its security.

I have to say that (ii) seems much more likely. Fanatical antisemitic death cults do not go quietly. And they have every incentive not to do so because of the support they get from useful idiots (most of whom are themselves antisemites) in the west.

HellsBalls · 03/10/2025 18:17

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/10/2025 17:23

Terrifying.

That’s the idea.
I think Hamas will call their bluff, and the fighting will continue.
After all, they are winning the propaganda war.
A bullet will be the only thing that alters their murderous beliefs.

Twiglets1 · 03/10/2025 17:31

TomeTome · 03/10/2025 17:26

Is it empathy you are identifying? I think possibly the problem is you are unable to think outside your own experience and put yourself in another’s shoes. I imagine this is something that needs to be learnt by both sides. How can we make progress if you can’t even consider what might be driving another’s behaviour?

That's right the problem is me.

Which is lucky that's what it's about because what Trump just said is terrifying.

TomeTome · 03/10/2025 17:26

Twiglets1 · 03/10/2025 14:19

When the people you are empathising with are Hamas you know you've gone wrong somewhere.

Is it empathy you are identifying? I think possibly the problem is you are unable to think outside your own experience and put yourself in another’s shoes. I imagine this is something that needs to be learnt by both sides. How can we make progress if you can’t even consider what might be driving another’s behaviour?

PollyPaintsFlowers · 03/10/2025 17:23

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/10/2025 17:22

It’s a tragedy for Palestinians and Israelis.

True

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/10/2025 17:23

Twiglets1 · 03/10/2025 16:16

Trump has just announced Hamas have until Sunday to accept.

Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform on Friday that an agreement must be reached by 18:00 Washington time (22:00 GMT) on Sunday.

"If this LAST CHANCE agreement is not reached, all HELL, like no one has ever seen before, will break out against Hamas. THERE WILL BE PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST ONE WAY OR THE OTHER," Trump wrote in the Truth Social post.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxq7zp7002o

Terrifying.