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Gaza Flotilla - genuine peace activists or Hamas puppets?

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TicklishMauveSquid · 27/09/2025 22:36

It has been reported that these activists have rejected the Italian government and the Vatican's proposal to unload any aid they are carrying in Cyprus, to be transferred peacefully to Gaza.

They seem intent on sailing into a legal blockade in a warzone as a direct provocation to Israel who will be forced to take control of 50 boats and the people on them.

They have made lots of unproven allegations that Israel has attacked their boats which may well be to precursor violent resistance in 'self defence'.

They could be carrying anything, including weapons.

There is quite compelling evidence of Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood connections to this so called humanitarian flotilla, which could be considered perverse in the extreme seeing as Hamas has caused the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

Hundreds of Israeli boat owners are being encouraged to counter protest in Navy approved zones (without interfering) as a presence 'a blue and white wall for the hostages'.

What do we think the outcome of this will be with Italian and Spanish Navy vessels in the mix?

This is quite a different situation than the ONE boat in the earlier failed attempt to breach the blockade this year where the 'activists' were peacefully appeased with sandwiches and sent on their way (after refusing to watch footage of Oct 7th).

Unmasking Extremism: The Hidden Networks Behind the “March to Gaza” Campaign

A campaign of so-called “peaceful solidarity” reveals disturbing ties to designated terrorist organizations.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

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Ellen2shoes · 05/10/2025 10:14

KoalaKoKo · 04/10/2025 11:59

Actually they made several silly videos on the flotillas the other day before they were intercepted to show their “dangerous cargo” - it was boxes of baby formula and food! Israel can claim what they like but there is video evidence to show exactly what was on the boats!

Yes, all live streamed. I feel sick to think that Israel not only intercepted a flotilla carrying baby formula for babies that it is deliberately starving, but then stole it to try to claim there wasn’t any. How can that soldier not realise that people have seen it? It’s unbelievable that some people here are actually still buying into this propaganda. All the evidence is there. It feels like wilful ignorance.

Very concerned about the treatment of the crew at this point.

CrossChecking · 04/10/2025 20:40

Everything to do with very large egos getting themselves into legal and practical dog shit which they then frantically try to lie their way out of.

Thats one way to describe the Israeli governments behaviour I suppose, there were no lights on, the IDF weren't in the area at the time, there was a 'Hamas camera'.

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 20:15

CrossChecking · 04/10/2025 20:00

Yeah, CBS News are the 'Palestine mob'. The list just keeps growing and growing doesn't it, I sure hope that those influencers Israel are paying are able to churn out their 'content' quickly enough to counter act this growing 'mob' of major news agencies.

I don’t approve of Netanyahu’s government’s actions. I don’t condone them at all, save to say they had to do SOMETHING after 1,000 of their citizens were butchered. I completely acknowledge the civilian deaths are far too high to be ‘collateral’ (hate that word)

But there is frankly a contagious mental illness around Gaza which has very little to do with the Palestinian population and everything to do with very large egos getting themselves into legal and practical dog shit which they then frantically try to lie their way out of. There are too many ‘key players’ utterly out of their depth here who are doing more harm than good.

We are at a very delicate stage in the peace/negotiation process and Thunberg agitating for attention or to ease her conscience is NOT helping

CrossChecking · 04/10/2025 20:00

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 19:00

Agreed.

The Palestine mob just lie relentlessly, I think they see the end as justifying the means.

They’re now trying to tell us Greta has been beaten up and forced to kiss an Israeli flag.

Yeah bloody right

Yeah, CBS News are the 'Palestine mob'. The list just keeps growing and growing doesn't it, I sure hope that those influencers Israel are paying are able to churn out their 'content' quickly enough to counter act this growing 'mob' of major news agencies.

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 19:00

1dayatatime · 04/10/2025 18:47

What utter bollocks. Do have any idea of how much it would cost or the actual risk to send a submarine all the way from Israel to Tunisia and when they got there to launch two drones that then drop small incendiary devices on a yacht.

Whereas if you look at the actual footage it's clearly some dickhead from the flotilla that fired a flare gun at a shallow angle, causing the flare to descend on to bow of the yacht and leaving behind the obvious white powder of magnesium on the bollard.

CBS need to stop with the deliberate misinformation like this. I mean I could quote unidentified sources that told me it was caused by aliens but it doesn't make it credible.

Agreed.

The Palestine mob just lie relentlessly, I think they see the end as justifying the means.

They’re now trying to tell us Greta has been beaten up and forced to kiss an Israeli flag.

Yeah bloody right

1dayatatime · 04/10/2025 18:47

CrossChecking · 04/10/2025 17:51

Rachel Corrie, James Miller, Tom Hurndall, Shireen Abu Akleh, Ayşenur Ezgi Eygi, the Mavi Marmara at least six of the passengers were murdered in a manner consistent with an extra-legal, arbitrary and summary execution.

Israel are experts at killing activists. Then people say that the people on the flotilla are pretending to afraid?! Who wouldn't be afraid.

In other news, it was a cigarette, it was a flare, it was seagulls or was it Netanyahu?

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/netanyahu-drone-attacks-gaza-aid-boats-tunisia/

What utter bollocks. Do have any idea of how much it would cost or the actual risk to send a submarine all the way from Israel to Tunisia and when they got there to launch two drones that then drop small incendiary devices on a yacht.

Whereas if you look at the actual footage it's clearly some dickhead from the flotilla that fired a flare gun at a shallow angle, causing the flare to descend on to bow of the yacht and leaving behind the obvious white powder of magnesium on the bollard.

CBS need to stop with the deliberate misinformation like this. I mean I could quote unidentified sources that told me it was caused by aliens but it doesn't make it credible.

CrossChecking · 04/10/2025 17:51

Rachel Corrie, James Miller, Tom Hurndall, Shireen Abu Akleh, Ayşenur Ezgi Eygi, the Mavi Marmara at least six of the passengers were murdered in a manner consistent with an extra-legal, arbitrary and summary execution.

Israel are experts at killing activists. Then people say that the people on the flotilla are pretending to afraid?! Who wouldn't be afraid.

In other news, it was a cigarette, it was a flare, it was seagulls or was it Netanyahu?

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/netanyahu-drone-attacks-gaza-aid-boats-tunisia/

Netanyahu ordered drone attacks on Gaza-bound humanitarian aid boats off Tunisia, sources say

No one was hurt when two vessels that were part of a flotilla bound for Gaza mysteriously caught fire last month.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/netanyahu-drone-attacks-gaza-aid-boats-tunisia/

1dayatatime · 04/10/2025 15:29

SisterTeatime · 04/10/2025 15:18

I see there is a bit of confusion and misinformation about Vittorio Arrigoni, the Italian activist who was kidnapped and murdered in Gaza. He went there in 2008 and was killed in 2011.

You are correct that the story of Vittorio Arrigoni dates back to 2011.

However here are some more recent examples:

https://cpj.org/2025/05/gaza-journalists-speak-out-about-hamas-intimidation-threats-assaults/amp/

Gaza journalists speak out about Hamas intimidation, threats, assaults - Committee to Protect Journalists

New York, May 15, 2025—When Gazan journalist Tawfiq Abu Jarad received a phone call from a Hamas security agent warning him not to cover a protest, he readily complied, having been assaulted by Hamas-affiliated forces once before.     The April 27 wome...

https://cpj.org/2025/05/gaza-journalists-speak-out-about-hamas-intimidation-threats-assaults/amp/

SisterTeatime · 04/10/2025 15:18

I see there is a bit of confusion and misinformation about Vittorio Arrigoni, the Italian activist who was kidnapped and murdered in Gaza. He went there in 2008 and was killed in 2011.

CrossChecking · 04/10/2025 12:09

It's interesting to see Ben Gvir calling the lawyers, politicians and activists 'terrorists'. It would make you wonder how Israel categorise someone as a terrorist and just who have they been blowing up and calling terrorists in Gaza? Clearly there definition is very different to a lot of the world's if they are calling Greta Thunberg a terrorist.

KoalaKoKo · 04/10/2025 11:59

Actually they made several silly videos on the flotillas the other day before they were intercepted to show their “dangerous cargo” - it was boxes of baby formula and food! Israel can claim what they like but there is video evidence to show exactly what was on the boats!

dairydebris · 04/10/2025 10:47

Beachtastic · 04/10/2025 10:00

there are lots of them for such a small boat, where on earth the aid might be, especially since they have to also eat

Maybe they ended up eating it! I've had badly organised camping trips myself.

Lol.

'Guys, where's the baby milk?'

'Shit. Who packed the baby milk?'

Beachtastic · 04/10/2025 10:00

there are lots of them for such a small boat, where on earth the aid might be, especially since they have to also eat

Maybe they ended up eating it! I've had badly organised camping trips myself.

Ihatetomatoes · 04/10/2025 09:48

Beachtastic · 04/10/2025 09:05

It's a pretty harmless way of facilitating boarding without resorting to more aggressive force.

I've watched the video from the flotilla it shows bright lights so they can see everyone on board, and water being sprayed towards the boats. Someone says it's chemicals but another man on the boat says its water.

They are all sat on deck and there are lots of them for such a small boat, where on earth the aid might be, especially since they have to also eat, so logically, its minimal due to physical size of ship. Unless the boat is a tardis type myth of course.

They were safely secured away from the active war zone. They should be shown the fate of the poor deluded Italian activist that actually got into Gaza, only managed a few days before being killed by another terrorist group. At least they are safe and cannot end up like him.

Let's hope the peace plan works and they can return to just stop oil black life's matter or climate awareness (badly needed).

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ClockworkGrape · 04/10/2025 09:10

1dayatatime · 03/10/2025 13:05

If the objective of the flotilla is indeed to highlight the blockade of Gaza by Israel then why haven't there been and why aren't there protests about Egypt closing the Rafah border crossing.

Up until the 7th October there were thousands of Gazans who daily commuted to work in Israel, whereas Egypt since July 2013 has pretty much closed the Rafah crossing for people (although goods continued).

To protest against Israel currently closing the borders to Gaza or to try and breach the blockade but not protest against Egypt historically and currently doing the same or try to breach the Rafah crossing must mean that there is something different about Egypt closing their crossing.

Quite simply this double standards is what leads to calls of anti semitism.

Was Egypt carpet bombing and starving the population at the same time?

Beachtastic · 04/10/2025 09:05

PaxAeterna · 03/10/2025 23:54

Well they certainly aren’t officially saying they are used water canons on boats. Unlikely to have been a proportionate responses as they were not meeting violence and resistance.

It's a pretty harmless way of facilitating boarding without resorting to more aggressive force.

Ellen2shoes · 04/10/2025 09:02

So a video on X showing there was no baby formula is your evidence that there wasn’t any? By the same people who deny withholding the baby food in the first place, even though several doctors volunteering at the bombed out hospitals in Gaza have testified that they were told to take it out of their luggage while babies are starving to death. You’re saying people lap up Insta and TkTok but what you lap up on X is ok?

And yes, of course the flotilla is about the genocide. Hundreds of people from over 40 nationalities were moved to take action because Israel, by its own admission, is blocking aid to a starving and desperate people. It’s called compassion.

Ihatetomatoes · 04/10/2025 08:37

TicklishMauveSquid · 03/10/2025 14:08

There is a video on X of an Israeli Navy officer from one of the flotilla boats saying there was no aid on board and showing the empty inside of the boat.

So no baby formula..............

Explains why they refused offers to unload the aid before, because they didn't have any!

I'm sure this will be dismissed as Israeli lies though.

There wasn't any side on their last escapade either. A small boat with enough supplies to feed them whilst they slowly sailed along. I understand they claimed they had baby milk, (that captured people), seems they didn't. It all adds to the white saviour narrative though, and people on Instagram and tick toc lap it up. Small soundbites of info with no actual depth works really well.

Anyway more importantly less hope the peace plan moves forward

Ihatetomatoes · 04/10/2025 08:13

Beachtastic · 03/10/2025 13:14

And yet there seems to be blind ignorance about the actual threat to Israel. I'm not sure "horrific scenes of violence" quite conveys the savagery of it.

I believe a one state solution might better achieve peace, but not through deporting Palestinians but sharing a country equally with Palestinians

Does anyone really believe that's what Hamas and the Gazans want? To share life peacefully and equally with Israel?

Perhaps visit Gaza pretending to be a Jewish woman and see what happens next.

That would mean capture or death. Even a pro Palestine activist was picked up in Gaza recently by a group that think Hamas is too moderate! That says how radicalised some are there. He was offered for ransom and then killed, even though he supported their cause.

SharonEllis · 04/10/2025 00:19

Ellen2shoes · 04/10/2025 00:09

How is this genocide funny?

There is no genocide on the futilla it was just a bit of water . If you can't see the funny side of this ludicrous charade that's fine, each to their own, but don't twist it into laughing at genocide.

Ellen2shoes · 04/10/2025 00:09

Beachtastic · 03/10/2025 14:40

😆

How is this genocide funny?

PaxAeterna · 03/10/2025 23:54

Beachtastic · 03/10/2025 14:29

I saw a video by one of the crew showing the Israeli ships using water cannons on some of the boats. The drama queen recording the video was saying "They're spraying them with chemicals..." (no doubt a "chemtrails" fan)

Well they certainly aren’t officially saying they are used water canons on boats. Unlikely to have been a proportionate responses as they were not meeting violence and resistance.

Ellen2shoes · 03/10/2025 23:42

Why would people on here bitchily target a brave young woman who is the age of many of our daughters, well intentioned and peaceable? There are 500 or more on the flotilla. This is bullying

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