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Gaza Flotilla - genuine peace activists or Hamas puppets?

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TicklishMauveSquid · 27/09/2025 22:36

It has been reported that these activists have rejected the Italian government and the Vatican's proposal to unload any aid they are carrying in Cyprus, to be transferred peacefully to Gaza.

They seem intent on sailing into a legal blockade in a warzone as a direct provocation to Israel who will be forced to take control of 50 boats and the people on them.

They have made lots of unproven allegations that Israel has attacked their boats which may well be to precursor violent resistance in 'self defence'.

They could be carrying anything, including weapons.

There is quite compelling evidence of Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood connections to this so called humanitarian flotilla, which could be considered perverse in the extreme seeing as Hamas has caused the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

Hundreds of Israeli boat owners are being encouraged to counter protest in Navy approved zones (without interfering) as a presence 'a blue and white wall for the hostages'.

What do we think the outcome of this will be with Italian and Spanish Navy vessels in the mix?

This is quite a different situation than the ONE boat in the earlier failed attempt to breach the blockade this year where the 'activists' were peacefully appeased with sandwiches and sent on their way (after refusing to watch footage of Oct 7th).

Unmasking Extremism: The Hidden Networks Behind the “March to Gaza” Campaign

A campaign of so-called “peaceful solidarity” reveals disturbing ties to designated terrorist organizations.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

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IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 06/10/2025 09:50

quantumbutterfly · 06/10/2025 09:47

They're disaster tourists getting the disaster tourist experience. Reminds me of the young lads who post smiling selfies with the Taliban, they're not so bad, unless you're a woman, or you piss them off, or you're a woman and you piss them off.
We wrap ourselves in our 'western' rights and freedoms, pushing the boundaries till they break and it could go either way whether they're more or less liberal when they come back depending on the government of the day. I think we know how most middle eastern governments would respond, we saw a snapshot with the protesters in Egypt.

Quite.

quantumbutterfly · 06/10/2025 09:47

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 06/10/2025 09:19

Yup one and the same.
Greta is just an attention seeking idiot.
Wonder what her next cause will be.

They're disaster tourists getting the disaster tourist experience. Reminds me of the young lads who post smiling selfies with the Taliban, they're not so bad, unless you're a woman, or you piss them off, or you're a woman and you piss them off.
We wrap ourselves in our 'western' rights and freedoms, pushing the boundaries till they break and it could go either way whether they're more or less liberal when they come back depending on the government of the day. I think we know how most middle eastern governments would respond, we saw a snapshot with the protesters in Egypt.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 06/10/2025 09:40

Beachtastic · 02/10/2025 18:12

Lofty sentiments, which I agree with in general; but if you are blind to the rise of radical Islam and the threat it poses to Israel... and more broadly to the Jewish people, including here in the UK... then I'm not sure what it will take to get you to see the dangers here

You do know that radical Islam is acknowledged as the greatest terror threat to Europe? Not just to Israel?

Hush now, they don’t want to know or admit that.

queenofarles · 06/10/2025 09:26

In the second cell, with me, was a former Turkish deputy foreign minister under Ahmet Davutoglu. His arm was broken and swollen; he bandaged it himself, denied any medical care. No medicine for anyone — not even an epileptic prisoner. We protested until consular assistance arrived. The Italian consul asked if we had been abused and said that if we signed the deportation papers, we’d be sent home the next day.

Many agreed to sign, but I don’t know what happened to those who didn’t — fifteen Italians remain imprisoned. I signed: it was a document waiving trial and agreeing to deportation within 72 hours. No admission of guilt.

They held new interrogations. A judge asked questions without a lawyer present. We requested one — they said it wasn’t necessary, “just a chat.” We stayed silent. I only said I was a journalist doing my job and wouldn’t answer further without legal or consular support. They asked why I wanted to go to Gaza, if I didn’t know there was a blockade. Others were asked more “political” questions — about the Muslim Brotherhood.

That night the guards were even more violent. The consul had just left, having gathered more deportation signatures, when special forces burst in. They stormed the cells, pointed rifles at us with laser sights, and called roll. In some cells, they unleashed dogs. In one, they found the word “Palestine” spelled out using scraps of pepper and water. To erase it, they poured bleach on the floor — prisoners slept on mattresses soaked with it.

That night, as punishment, they overcrowded the cells: from ten people to fifteen, leaving no space to lie down. We turned the mattresses sideways so we could all rest our heads. In my cell were Maso Notarianni and a Lombardy Democratic Party councilor, Paolo Romano.

I had the feeling I was in a truly barbaric place, and hoped this barbarity would soon end.

Yesterday morning, very early, they woke us up and loaded us onto the same armored vehicle. We thought we were going to the airport but peered through slits, fearing we might be taken to another detention center.

The trip lasted three hours, unbearably hot. We asked for water — they said we were “almost there.” At Eilat airport, they put us on a plane to Istanbul. There, we were greeted with cheers — Erdogan-style propaganda. A parliamentarian from his party handed out new clothes, shoes, and kefiyehs. That evening we boarded the final flight to Rome."

(Lorenzo D’Agostino
Investigative journalist specializing in border policies)

queenofarles · 06/10/2025 09:20

Journalist Lorenzo D’Agostino said after his release in Istanbul that Thunberg was “wrapped in the Israeli flag and paraded like a trophy.”

. After border control, they forced us to strip down to our underwear. We went through two interrogations — only one with a lawyer present. They asked if we wanted to be deported. Then came the announcement: we were going to jail.

That’s when Itamar Ben Gvir, Israel’s Minister of National Security, arrived. He came to Ashdod to make sure we were treated as terrorists. He screamed it at us — that we were terrorists. Right in front of him, the police wanted to show their zeal: they blindfolded us and tightened plastic handcuffs around our wrists until they cut into the skin.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 06/10/2025 09:19

User37482 · 28/09/2025 09:00

Are these the people who claimed Israel struck their boat woth a drone attack and it turned out they were hit by a flare they sent up themselves and set fire to their own boat. Think it was the Tunisian government who had to clarify what had happened before their population started to believe that Israel had attacked. I think they are basically just idiots tbh.

There was something about a problem their Gaza reps had with LGBT support so some people quit the organisation.

I’m all for increased aid going to Gaza but this lot are utter muppets. i feel embarrassed for them.

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Yup one and the same.
Greta is just an attention seeking idiot.
Wonder what her next cause will be.

SharonEllis · 06/10/2025 09:02

queenofarles · 06/10/2025 08:38

Lets call them all we like , self indulgent , Morons, ignorants etc… but that still not justifies the way they were treated in Prison, That’s not what democratic states do.

Of course democracies detain people who break the law. In fact its a fundamental principle of liberal democracy.

Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 08:44

queenofarles · 06/10/2025 08:38

Lets call them all we like , self indulgent , Morons, ignorants etc… but that still not justifies the way they were treated in Prison, That’s not what democratic states do.

How do we know how they were treated? Apparently the beds are too hard. They dont have to be there, they chose to be there.

I'd rather diplomats spent time in more important things.

Let's hope the peace plan goes ahead and hamas don't look at these idiots and think they'd be better ignoring the plan since they have support to fight on.

queenofarles · 06/10/2025 08:38

Lets call them all we like , self indulgent , Morons, ignorants etc… but that still not justifies the way they were treated in Prison, That’s not what democratic states do.

SharonEllis · 06/10/2025 06:43

Ihatetomatoes · 05/10/2025 22:26

It seems some activists decided not to be drported back and chose to go to prison instead awaiting deportations.

A family member talking about her activist husband said:

"“I want to know what my government is doing to get him back home.
“Why are the Israelis not granting permission for the British Consulate to go and see him?
“We are British citizens and we need people from Westminster to act.
“They can kidnap our families, but they can’t kidnap truth. We have to keep going until Palestine is free.”
Legal aid workers out in Israel have been trying to help and say they have serious concerns.
A spokesperson for the Foreign Office told STV News that they are supporting a number of British nationals who have been detained in Israel and say they are in touch with the local authorities". I mean they choose to stay then demand release.

I'm sure this person was out on the streets demanding Red Cross access to the hostages, oh yes I'm sure...
No wait they weren't were they, no they would actually have been on the streets calling for Israel NOT to do anything about their hostages.

So while various countries, including our own, should all be devoting their diplomatic energy to encouraging the peace process these self indulgent morons are demanding consular time & effort to deal with a situation entirely of their choosing and creating.

OpheliaIsntMad · 05/10/2025 22:51

TicklishMauveSquid · 27/09/2025 22:36

It has been reported that these activists have rejected the Italian government and the Vatican's proposal to unload any aid they are carrying in Cyprus, to be transferred peacefully to Gaza.

They seem intent on sailing into a legal blockade in a warzone as a direct provocation to Israel who will be forced to take control of 50 boats and the people on them.

They have made lots of unproven allegations that Israel has attacked their boats which may well be to precursor violent resistance in 'self defence'.

They could be carrying anything, including weapons.

There is quite compelling evidence of Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood connections to this so called humanitarian flotilla, which could be considered perverse in the extreme seeing as Hamas has caused the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

Hundreds of Israeli boat owners are being encouraged to counter protest in Navy approved zones (without interfering) as a presence 'a blue and white wall for the hostages'.

What do we think the outcome of this will be with Italian and Spanish Navy vessels in the mix?

This is quite a different situation than the ONE boat in the earlier failed attempt to breach the blockade this year where the 'activists' were peacefully appeased with sandwiches and sent on their way (after refusing to watch footage of Oct 7th).

Definitely Hamas puppets.

Ihatetomatoes · 05/10/2025 22:26

It seems some activists decided not to be drported back and chose to go to prison instead awaiting deportations.

A family member talking about her activist husband said:

"“I want to know what my government is doing to get him back home.
“Why are the Israelis not granting permission for the British Consulate to go and see him?
“We are British citizens and we need people from Westminster to act.
“They can kidnap our families, but they can’t kidnap truth. We have to keep going until Palestine is free.”
Legal aid workers out in Israel have been trying to help and say they have serious concerns.
A spokesperson for the Foreign Office told STV News that they are supporting a number of British nationals who have been detained in Israel and say they are in touch with the local authorities". I mean they choose to stay then demand release.

CrossChecking · 05/10/2025 21:33

SharonEllis · 05/10/2025 20:47

What does ' they played pro Israel posters here into defending mass starvation with their lies' mean? Sorry, I'm not following.

Netanyahu and Co lied about Hamas stealing huge quantities of aid when it was actually the militia that they are in cahoots with who were systematically looting vast quantities as aid, as Israel knew because they were in cahoots with them. Pro Israel posters repeated that lie ad finitum when they were defending Israels decision to stop aid to Gaza back in March and again when they were defending the setting up of the GHF. Or maybe those posters knew it was a lie after all when they were repeating it over and over so they weren't played at all, they were spreading lies on purpose? Those are the two options. You can pick whichever you feel is true.

CrossChecking · 05/10/2025 21:28

stomachamelon · 05/10/2025 20:52

@CrossCheckingthe last part of your quote is not what I said.

Oh I presumed you were confused because nowhere did I mention anything as being a reason people are pro Israel. So your post made no sense in the context of mine.

stomachamelon · 05/10/2025 20:52

@CrossCheckingthe last part of your quote is not what I said.

SharonEllis · 05/10/2025 20:47

CrossChecking · 05/10/2025 19:27

Did you not read the article Sharon? The GHF provide aid too and that goes to Netanyahus new militia. You know the militia responsible for massive looting, the looting Netanyahu and posters here blamed on Hamas, the reason Israel and posters here gave for starving innocent Palestinians?

Nevermind the fact that clearly Israel aren't very trust worthy are they, they played pro Israel posters here into defending mass starvation with their lies after all.

What does ' they played pro Israel posters here into defending mass starvation with their lies' mean? Sorry, I'm not following.

EasyTouch · 05/10/2025 20:23

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TakeMe2Insanity · 05/10/2025 20:11

Well they’ve distributed it to Israelis!

CrossChecking · 05/10/2025 20:09

stomachamelon · 05/10/2025 19:56

@CrossCheckingare you saying Hamas never loot aid?
There are many reasons posters may be pro Israel that you haven’t covered!

I didn't say that but systemic looting by Hamas was the reason Israel gave for stopping all aid into Gaza in March. The UN said Hamas aren't systematically stealing aid and we're called liars, people said that they worked for Hamas, even the US government found that there was no evidence of Hamas benefitting from aid. It was Netanyahus militia who were stealing huge amounts of aid, obviously being connected to Netanyahu he knew this. It was an outright lie that Hamas were behind it used as an excuse to starve the population of Gaza.

There are many more reasons pro Israel posters defended the starvation of Gaza, what were they?

stomachamelon · 05/10/2025 19:56

@CrossCheckingare you saying Hamas never loot aid?
There are many reasons posters may be pro Israel that you haven’t covered!

CrossChecking · 05/10/2025 19:27

SharonEllis · 05/10/2025 16:18

Its aid, who do you think they were going to deliver it to?

Did you not read the article Sharon? The GHF provide aid too and that goes to Netanyahus new militia. You know the militia responsible for massive looting, the looting Netanyahu and posters here blamed on Hamas, the reason Israel and posters here gave for starving innocent Palestinians?

Nevermind the fact that clearly Israel aren't very trust worthy are they, they played pro Israel posters here into defending mass starvation with their lies after all.

stomachamelon · 05/10/2025 17:49

@Ellen2shoeskindly as a mum of children (now grown up) with autism I also know that it can lead to hyper focus and obsession. As a parent you advise them especially as if it puts them in harms way.
I hope her embassy is doing it all it can to persuade her to leave.

stomachamelon · 05/10/2025 17:45

@CrossCheckingleavibg Greta to one side I would assume the pope was pretty clear who the aid would go to?

Twiglets1 · 05/10/2025 16:37

SharonEllis · 05/10/2025 16:18

Its aid, who do you think they were going to deliver it to?

Well Greta was complaining about the food in prison so maybe she needs some 🤷🏼‍♀️

SharonEllis · 05/10/2025 16:18

CrossChecking · 05/10/2025 15:32

That doesn't say who they are going to deliver it to.

Its aid, who do you think they were going to deliver it to?

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