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Gaza Flotilla - genuine peace activists or Hamas puppets?

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TicklishMauveSquid · 27/09/2025 22:36

It has been reported that these activists have rejected the Italian government and the Vatican's proposal to unload any aid they are carrying in Cyprus, to be transferred peacefully to Gaza.

They seem intent on sailing into a legal blockade in a warzone as a direct provocation to Israel who will be forced to take control of 50 boats and the people on them.

They have made lots of unproven allegations that Israel has attacked their boats which may well be to precursor violent resistance in 'self defence'.

They could be carrying anything, including weapons.

There is quite compelling evidence of Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood connections to this so called humanitarian flotilla, which could be considered perverse in the extreme seeing as Hamas has caused the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

Hundreds of Israeli boat owners are being encouraged to counter protest in Navy approved zones (without interfering) as a presence 'a blue and white wall for the hostages'.

What do we think the outcome of this will be with Italian and Spanish Navy vessels in the mix?

This is quite a different situation than the ONE boat in the earlier failed attempt to breach the blockade this year where the 'activists' were peacefully appeased with sandwiches and sent on their way (after refusing to watch footage of Oct 7th).

Unmasking Extremism: The Hidden Networks Behind the “March to Gaza” Campaign

A campaign of so-called “peaceful solidarity” reveals disturbing ties to designated terrorist organizations.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

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Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 22:34

quantumbutterfly · 06/10/2025 20:29

He does

"Where were the Palestinian voices condemning Hamas, expressing solidarity with the victims, and demanding the release of the Israelis who were kidnapped?"

"All my life, I’ve watched violence fail the Palestinian cause. Rocket attacks and terrorism never seemed to expand our territory or improve our political or economic situation. Violence just encouraged Israel to build more walls between us and them."

🙏👏

Everexpanding · 06/10/2025 22:32

inamarina · 06/10/2025 19:50

How can someone whip themselves into such a frenzy? Calling an entire nation not human…

Is this sarcastic this is exactly what the Israeli govt have done but with more devastating consequences

Thegreyhound · 06/10/2025 22:31

EasyTouch · 06/10/2025 22:25

Why should they be believed? They are not an objective entity full of integrity are they?
We ain't talking about Terry Waite and the like.
Shit stirrers with a barely duplicitous agenda against Israel decide to sail into her waters in the middle of a war with no sanction or authority from any of the home nations that they come from and neither on any of their behalfs.
And they met the non coddling , care not for their privilege of not having to have a job selves and got a war to busy themselves with Israeli authorities.
One would think that they had been brought up to think that they should, on being encountered, being the centre of everybody's world.
If they had the empathy that they convince themselves that they have above all others due to the cause that they support......they might have imagined what life is like in prison for all the Palestinians in Israeli incarceration, so as to refocus their energy and vanity from themselves.
They had a choice and they chose incarceration.
Obviously, the choice was not made in solidarity with Palestinians as they would have some shame and realise that their inconvenience and lack of coddling is a trifle in the grand scheme of things.
They need broader backs. Privileged activists of yore took pride in going to chokey to be treated like the average prole.

Certainly more integrity amongst them than humanity amongst their detractors

PaxAeterna · 06/10/2025 22:29

EasyTouch · 06/10/2025 22:25

Why should they be believed? They are not an objective entity full of integrity are they?
We ain't talking about Terry Waite and the like.
Shit stirrers with a barely duplicitous agenda against Israel decide to sail into her waters in the middle of a war with no sanction or authority from any of the home nations that they come from and neither on any of their behalfs.
And they met the non coddling , care not for their privilege of not having to have a job selves and got a war to busy themselves with Israeli authorities.
One would think that they had been brought up to think that they should, on being encountered, being the centre of everybody's world.
If they had the empathy that they convince themselves that they have above all others due to the cause that they support......they might have imagined what life is like in prison for all the Palestinians in Israeli incarceration, so as to refocus their energy and vanity from themselves.
They had a choice and they chose incarceration.
Obviously, the choice was not made in solidarity with Palestinians as they would have some shame and realise that their inconvenience and lack of coddling is a trifle in the grand scheme of things.
They need broader backs. Privileged activists of yore took pride in going to chokey to be treated like the average prole.

“Non coddling” is getting your head smashed against a floor now is it.

Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 22:27

Beachtastic · 06/10/2025 19:35

I think we've all "met" her on MN 🫢

It's straight out the Pro Pal handbook

PaxAeterna · 06/10/2025 22:26

The reports on how they were treating are shocking really. Another two fingers up to the world by the Israeli administration. They’ll do what they want to people from any country and nobody will stop them.

Whether you think the flotilla was a waste of time or not, surely nobody can defend the treatment of what were peaceful, unarmed protesters.

Loved Greta’s speech on her release. I don’t doubt her integrity. They wrote Greta whore on her suitcase according to an observer at the airport. A small thing compared to other stuff but there is something so disgusting about it.

EasyTouch · 06/10/2025 22:25

Thegreyhound · 06/10/2025 21:02

You didn’t read how they were treated then I see.

Why should they be believed? They are not an objective entity full of integrity are they?
We ain't talking about Terry Waite and the like.
Shit stirrers with a barely duplicitous agenda against Israel decide to sail into her waters in the middle of a war with no sanction or authority from any of the home nations that they come from and neither on any of their behalfs.
And they met the non coddling , care not for their privilege of not having to have a job selves and got a war to busy themselves with Israeli authorities.
One would think that they had been brought up to think that they should, on being encountered, being the centre of everybody's world.
If they had the empathy that they convince themselves that they have above all others due to the cause that they support......they might have imagined what life is like in prison for all the Palestinians in Israeli incarceration, so as to refocus their energy and vanity from themselves.
They had a choice and they chose incarceration.
Obviously, the choice was not made in solidarity with Palestinians as they would have some shame and realise that their inconvenience and lack of coddling is a trifle in the grand scheme of things.
They need broader backs. Privileged activists of yore took pride in going to chokey to be treated like the average prole.

Thegreyhound · 06/10/2025 21:02

quantumbutterfly · 06/10/2025 09:47

They're disaster tourists getting the disaster tourist experience. Reminds me of the young lads who post smiling selfies with the Taliban, they're not so bad, unless you're a woman, or you piss them off, or you're a woman and you piss them off.
We wrap ourselves in our 'western' rights and freedoms, pushing the boundaries till they break and it could go either way whether they're more or less liberal when they come back depending on the government of the day. I think we know how most middle eastern governments would respond, we saw a snapshot with the protesters in Egypt.

You didn’t read how they were treated then I see.

Thegreyhound · 06/10/2025 20:58

HellsBalls · 03/10/2025 07:27

There is no genocide. There is no mass, random bombing. There is no machine gunning of civilians, nor bombing of refugee camps.
If there were, the death toll would be 500,000 or more by now.

There are all those things and they have been well documented- where have you been for the last two years? You can’t have opened a single newspaper

quantumbutterfly · 06/10/2025 20:29

SpaceRaccoon · 06/10/2025 17:41

Well doesn't Sarah Wilkinson sound nice:

"The Israelis are not human. They have hands, they have faces, but they are not one of us. They are monsters".

Goebbels would approve.

https://x.com/aziz0nomics/status/1975211278647111920

But at least John Aziz sounds like a voice of sanity.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/israeli-palestinian-conflict-hope/675917/

All My Life, I’ve Watched Violence Fail the Palestinian Cause

After Hamas’s attack, I lost hope. Then I started hearing from Israelis and Palestinians.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/israeli-palestinian-conflict-hope/675917/

SharonEllis · 06/10/2025 20:11

It is a very special sort of derangement. I wonder how we recover from this?

inamarina · 06/10/2025 19:50

SpaceRaccoon · 06/10/2025 17:41

Well doesn't Sarah Wilkinson sound nice:

"The Israelis are not human. They have hands, they have faces, but they are not one of us. They are monsters".

Goebbels would approve.

https://x.com/aziz0nomics/status/1975211278647111920

How can someone whip themselves into such a frenzy? Calling an entire nation not human…

Beachtastic · 06/10/2025 19:35

SpaceRaccoon · 06/10/2025 17:41

Well doesn't Sarah Wilkinson sound nice:

"The Israelis are not human. They have hands, they have faces, but they are not one of us. They are monsters".

Goebbels would approve.

https://x.com/aziz0nomics/status/1975211278647111920

I think we've all "met" her on MN 🫢

Twiglets1 · 06/10/2025 18:03

SpaceRaccoon · 06/10/2025 17:41

Well doesn't Sarah Wilkinson sound nice:

"The Israelis are not human. They have hands, they have faces, but they are not one of us. They are monsters".

Goebbels would approve.

https://x.com/aziz0nomics/status/1975211278647111920

Peace advocate my arse.

SpaceRaccoon · 06/10/2025 17:41

Well doesn't Sarah Wilkinson sound nice:

"The Israelis are not human. They have hands, they have faces, but they are not one of us. They are monsters".

Goebbels would approve.

https://x.com/aziz0nomics/status/1975211278647111920

John Aziz (@aziz0nomics) on X

British-Palestinian. Peace advocate, futurist, builder. بدنا نعيش

https://x.com/aziz0nomics

KoalaKoKo · 06/10/2025 16:17

Beachtastic · 06/10/2025 13:10

You don't seem to know what "barbaric" means... To be fair, I didn't really know either, until 7/10/23 opened my eyes a bit.

October 7th was barbaric but it didn’t start there - how about this for barbaric - the peaceful village of Tantura that took in jewish refugees during World War 2 only to be massacred by Zionist soldiers in 1948. Raped, mutilated, incinerated by flame throwers and buried in a mass grave.

Some interviews with Zionist soldiers who took part in the massacre

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https://youtu.be/MQ1TAOibLss

EasyTouch · 06/10/2025 15:28

queenofarles · 06/10/2025 10:15

Wonder how the response would be if roles were reversed ? Anything but disaster tourist

I think that it would be nigh on impossible to find so many stupid Israelis who would try and centre themselves in a war that their vanity could not change course.
What with Israel having defended herself in five wars that she did not start in such a short amount of time.
The Israelis KNOW that war is not something to play with and throwing rocks and hiding hands like these "activists"( who pretend that they want to be treated kindly by Israel and cry foul that they got what they wanted so that they can continue hating on Israel) is trifling in the grand scheme of things.

These activists so badly want to be oppressed, whilst minimising the inconvenience of Israel being on the defence and why.

An interesting pathology that somebody nicer than me can unpick, using nice language.

Beachtastic · 06/10/2025 13:10

Ellen2shoes · 06/10/2025 11:21

It is barbaric. If this is how they treat Europeans, we can only imagine how they treat the Palestinians who have no voice.

You don't seem to know what "barbaric" means... To be fair, I didn't really know either, until 7/10/23 opened my eyes a bit.

queenofarles · 06/10/2025 12:49

Ellen2shoes · 06/10/2025 11:21

It is barbaric. If this is how they treat Europeans, we can only imagine how they treat the Palestinians who have no voice.

That’s another discussion in itself , is this normal towards Palestinians ? But barbaric to Europeans?
Will Israelis be content with the exact same treatment in other countries ?
after all they did it to Greta and co , and they <israelis> thought nothing of it .

Ellen2shoes · 06/10/2025 11:21

queenofarles · 06/10/2025 09:26

In the second cell, with me, was a former Turkish deputy foreign minister under Ahmet Davutoglu. His arm was broken and swollen; he bandaged it himself, denied any medical care. No medicine for anyone — not even an epileptic prisoner. We protested until consular assistance arrived. The Italian consul asked if we had been abused and said that if we signed the deportation papers, we’d be sent home the next day.

Many agreed to sign, but I don’t know what happened to those who didn’t — fifteen Italians remain imprisoned. I signed: it was a document waiving trial and agreeing to deportation within 72 hours. No admission of guilt.

They held new interrogations. A judge asked questions without a lawyer present. We requested one — they said it wasn’t necessary, “just a chat.” We stayed silent. I only said I was a journalist doing my job and wouldn’t answer further without legal or consular support. They asked why I wanted to go to Gaza, if I didn’t know there was a blockade. Others were asked more “political” questions — about the Muslim Brotherhood.

That night the guards were even more violent. The consul had just left, having gathered more deportation signatures, when special forces burst in. They stormed the cells, pointed rifles at us with laser sights, and called roll. In some cells, they unleashed dogs. In one, they found the word “Palestine” spelled out using scraps of pepper and water. To erase it, they poured bleach on the floor — prisoners slept on mattresses soaked with it.

That night, as punishment, they overcrowded the cells: from ten people to fifteen, leaving no space to lie down. We turned the mattresses sideways so we could all rest our heads. In my cell were Maso Notarianni and a Lombardy Democratic Party councilor, Paolo Romano.

I had the feeling I was in a truly barbaric place, and hoped this barbarity would soon end.

Yesterday morning, very early, they woke us up and loaded us onto the same armored vehicle. We thought we were going to the airport but peered through slits, fearing we might be taken to another detention center.

The trip lasted three hours, unbearably hot. We asked for water — they said we were “almost there.” At Eilat airport, they put us on a plane to Istanbul. There, we were greeted with cheers — Erdogan-style propaganda. A parliamentarian from his party handed out new clothes, shoes, and kefiyehs. That evening we boarded the final flight to Rome."

(Lorenzo D’Agostino
Investigative journalist specializing in border policies)

It is barbaric. If this is how they treat Europeans, we can only imagine how they treat the Palestinians who have no voice.

CrossChecking · 06/10/2025 10:29

SharonEllis · 06/10/2025 09:02

Of course democracies detain people who break the law. In fact its a fundamental principle of liberal democracy.

What law did they break?

queenofarles · 06/10/2025 10:15

Wonder how the response would be if roles were reversed ? Anything but disaster tourist

Twiglets1 · 06/10/2025 09:52

Yup @quantumbutterfly disaster tourists claiming they had it bad 🙄