Please or to access all these features

Conflict in the Middle East

Gaza Flotilla - genuine peace activists or Hamas puppets?

588 replies

TicklishMauveSquid · 27/09/2025 22:36

It has been reported that these activists have rejected the Italian government and the Vatican's proposal to unload any aid they are carrying in Cyprus, to be transferred peacefully to Gaza.

They seem intent on sailing into a legal blockade in a warzone as a direct provocation to Israel who will be forced to take control of 50 boats and the people on them.

They have made lots of unproven allegations that Israel has attacked their boats which may well be to precursor violent resistance in 'self defence'.

They could be carrying anything, including weapons.

There is quite compelling evidence of Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood connections to this so called humanitarian flotilla, which could be considered perverse in the extreme seeing as Hamas has caused the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

Hundreds of Israeli boat owners are being encouraged to counter protest in Navy approved zones (without interfering) as a presence 'a blue and white wall for the hostages'.

What do we think the outcome of this will be with Italian and Spanish Navy vessels in the mix?

This is quite a different situation than the ONE boat in the earlier failed attempt to breach the blockade this year where the 'activists' were peacefully appeased with sandwiches and sent on their way (after refusing to watch footage of Oct 7th).

Unmasking Extremism: The Hidden Networks Behind the “March to Gaza” Campaign

A campaign of so-called “peaceful solidarity” reveals disturbing ties to designated terrorist organizations.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

OP posts:
Thread gallery
31
inamarina · 07/10/2025 10:55

TicklishMauveSquid · 07/10/2025 09:31

I don’t believe for a second these rather sinister idiots were treated badly by the IDF and Israel btw.

The Israelis are far from stupid. They will have filmed interactions.

I bet these ‘abuse’ and ‘disappearance’ allegations die away and no action is taken against Israel by their legal representatives as there is no case.

They are despicable liars the same as the cause and the people they are apparently supporting.

Agree. It doesn’t help that they previously claimed they had been bombed by an Israeli drone only for the Tunisian authorities to deny that.
Most (all?) of the accusations also sound quite vague - things like having to sit on a hard surface, developing a rash, feeling dehydrated. Didn’t they also claim IDF was spraying them with chemicals when the latter employed water cannons?

SpaceRaccoon · 07/10/2025 10:52

These are deliberate lies to fan the flames.

This entire two-year propaganda exercise is to my mind blood libel - extreme, excessive lies about Israel and it's motivations, eagerly lapped up.

TicklishMauveSquid · 07/10/2025 10:44

CrossChecking · 07/10/2025 10:26

'Dispicable liars', honestly the language used is so far out of whack compared to their perceived crimes. If the flotilla participants are 'dispicable liars' what words do you use to describe the Israeli government who lied about Hamas systematically stealing large amounts of aid so that they could stop all aid from entering Gaza for 3 months?

Stronger terms are consistently used by pro Israel posters here to condemn activists and protesters against Israels starvation, ethnic cleansing and illegal occupation than they use against the killing and forced starvation of children, that is consistently referred to as being 'very sad' with no comment at all about the perpetrators.

Edited

Of course Hamas stole large amounts of aid! Gazans said so themselves.

If there wasn’t enough aid in the Strip for the 3 month pause, how come there wasn’t masses of deaths from starvation in that period from March to to May?

Stronger terms should be used to condemn people masquerading as ‘humanitarians’ who believe the ridiculous propaganda and blood libels coming out of Gaza purely because they are deranged with Jew hatred, and then use to it lie and incite further hatred and incite violence against Jews by lying about Israel attacking the boats and their alleged mistreatment in Israeli custody, and even claiming these activists have ‘disappeared’.

These are deliberate lies to fan the flames.

OP posts:
CrossChecking · 07/10/2025 10:40

CrossChecking · 07/10/2025 10:26

'Dispicable liars', honestly the language used is so far out of whack compared to their perceived crimes. If the flotilla participants are 'dispicable liars' what words do you use to describe the Israeli government who lied about Hamas systematically stealing large amounts of aid so that they could stop all aid from entering Gaza for 3 months?

Stronger terms are consistently used by pro Israel posters here to condemn activists and protesters against Israels starvation, ethnic cleansing and illegal occupation than they use against the killing and forced starvation of children, that is consistently referred to as being 'very sad' with no comment at all about the perpetrators.

Edited

I will add to that and say that pro Israel posters say that they 'don't agree with the settlers', that's as strong as that condemnation goes, now look back at this thread and see the abuse that has been given to these activists, Greta in particular. Why are people showing more hate towards activists than they do towards violent settlers responsible for pogroms?

WoodlandLove · 07/10/2025 10:37

TicklishMauveSquid · 07/10/2025 09:24

It is a derangement.

These people have an underlying hatred of Jewish people either from brainwashing growing up within their family or from company they’ve kept when older but still impressionable. The ‘Palestinian’ cause and the outrageous lies it has propagated, which it needs to exist, has reinforced that hate and confirms the ‘good reason’ to hate.

Palestinian propaganda completely relies on Jew hatred and derangement.

Obviously those on the flotilla were paid in either cash or exposure for their own ego/belief it makes them a ‘goodie’ against the ‘baddie’, when they are in fact deeply dysfunctional personalities with numerous ‘issues’.

No sane person would support the kind of evil which is Hamas and these people DO.

Just too chicken to say it out loud.

Can you not develop a more nuanced view?
Most people I know are horrified by what's happening in Gaza. I've not met a single person who supports Hamas, or thinks what happened on October 7th was anything less than horrific.
I'm not so naive as to think that Hamas supporters don't exist. I understand how offensive that is. I'm from Northern Ireland (a protestant) and know how upsetting it was/is when people defended and supported the IRA.
But, to suggest all (circa 500) activists aboard the 44 boats of the flotilla are liars and terrorist sympathisers, without evidence to support that claim, is quite shockingly lacking in nuance to me. Just as lacking in nuance as those claiming all Israelis are x, y, z. Few things in life are black and white I find.

CrossChecking · 07/10/2025 10:26

TicklishMauveSquid · 07/10/2025 09:31

I don’t believe for a second these rather sinister idiots were treated badly by the IDF and Israel btw.

The Israelis are far from stupid. They will have filmed interactions.

I bet these ‘abuse’ and ‘disappearance’ allegations die away and no action is taken against Israel by their legal representatives as there is no case.

They are despicable liars the same as the cause and the people they are apparently supporting.

'Dispicable liars', honestly the language used is so far out of whack compared to their perceived crimes. If the flotilla participants are 'dispicable liars' what words do you use to describe the Israeli government who lied about Hamas systematically stealing large amounts of aid so that they could stop all aid from entering Gaza for 3 months?

Stronger terms are consistently used by pro Israel posters here to condemn activists and protesters against Israels starvation, ethnic cleansing and illegal occupation than they use against the killing and forced starvation of children, that is consistently referred to as being 'very sad' with no comment at all about the perpetrators.

CrossChecking · 07/10/2025 10:13

Where did I say that? A few lucky children are being allowed to leave but many children have and are still suffering, some have died because of the lack of proper food and medical care. I noticed that you and the other person I asked didn't answer why Israel prevented food and medicine from entering Gaza though. It wasn't because Hamas were stealing aid so why did they prevent all aid from entering Gaza for 3 months until foreign governments pressured them into allowing some back in?

TicklishMauveSquid · 07/10/2025 09:31

I don’t believe for a second these rather sinister idiots were treated badly by the IDF and Israel btw.

The Israelis are far from stupid. They will have filmed interactions.

I bet these ‘abuse’ and ‘disappearance’ allegations die away and no action is taken against Israel by their legal representatives as there is no case.

They are despicable liars the same as the cause and the people they are apparently supporting.

OP posts:
EasternStandard · 07/10/2025 09:30

Ihatetomatoes · 07/10/2025 09:08

Rape denier.

"Gaza Barbie, one of the useful idiots of Greta’s flotilla: "I apologize to the women if they were raped by Hamas but I don't believe it, I don't believe anything from Israel." Does she not believe the literal videos that Hamas live-streamed?"

What an idiot. Hamas must love these stupid people.

How awful.

Beachtastic · 07/10/2025 09:28

I don't understand why anyone would be angry with Netanyahu saying he would treat them like terrorists. They talk like terrorists, appear to be sponsored by terrorists, violate Israel's naval blockade during wartime, and have promoted Hamas propaganda globally. In other wars, they'd have been blindfolded and shot.

TicklishMauveSquid · 07/10/2025 09:24

It is a derangement.

These people have an underlying hatred of Jewish people either from brainwashing growing up within their family or from company they’ve kept when older but still impressionable. The ‘Palestinian’ cause and the outrageous lies it has propagated, which it needs to exist, has reinforced that hate and confirms the ‘good reason’ to hate.

Palestinian propaganda completely relies on Jew hatred and derangement.

Obviously those on the flotilla were paid in either cash or exposure for their own ego/belief it makes them a ‘goodie’ against the ‘baddie’, when they are in fact deeply dysfunctional personalities with numerous ‘issues’.

No sane person would support the kind of evil which is Hamas and these people DO.

Just too chicken to say it out loud.

OP posts:
Timeforabitofpeace · 07/10/2025 09:22

I definitely wouldn’t trust the far right Italian government, but I would have thought that they’d send it via the Vatican.

Twiglets1 · 07/10/2025 09:15

SpaceRaccoon · 07/10/2025 08:40

Another delightful member of the flotilla, now denying rape and sexual violence.

https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1975424282265330168

"I apologize to the women if they were raped by Hamas but I don't believe it" - wow.

Ihatetomatoes · 07/10/2025 09:11

inamarina · 07/10/2025 08:57

This woman is really something else.
I saw an interview with her where she claimed the female hostages were treated well by Hamas, but one of them was sad and felt ugly because nobody would touch her.
Absolutely despicable.

A woman saying that about other women. She disgusts me. You will always get those captured and enthralled with terrorists. Something wrong in their thinking skills.

Ihatetomatoes · 07/10/2025 09:08

SpaceRaccoon · 07/10/2025 08:40

Another delightful member of the flotilla, now denying rape and sexual violence.

https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1975424282265330168

Rape denier.

"Gaza Barbie, one of the useful idiots of Greta’s flotilla: "I apologize to the women if they were raped by Hamas but I don't believe it, I don't believe anything from Israel." Does she not believe the literal videos that Hamas live-streamed?"

What an idiot. Hamas must love these stupid people.

PaxAeterna · 07/10/2025 08:58

quantumbutterfly · 06/10/2025 23:42

I read how detainees from the marches in Egypt were treated.

what are you trying to say by using your Taliban example and the example of Egypt?

Are you saying that your expectation of the current israeli government is that they would behave like Egypt or Afghanistan? The Ben- Gvir video is frankly nuts altogether. It’s so openly nuts, that’s what’s surprising.

I think, considering the publicity surrounding the flotilla as well as the strongly worded statements from countries of the participants, that It really shows that the current Israeli administration have zero worries about their international isolation.

inamarina · 07/10/2025 08:57

SpaceRaccoon · 07/10/2025 08:40

Another delightful member of the flotilla, now denying rape and sexual violence.

https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1975424282265330168

This woman is really something else.
I saw an interview with her where she claimed the female hostages were treated well by Hamas, but one of them was sad and felt ugly because nobody would touch her.
Absolutely despicable.

queenofarles · 07/10/2025 08:56

why are posters still denying? We are at stage where there is no denial of the collective punishment used by The Israeli government ,

this Report presented by two Senators just last month clearly states the reality of what is going on there :
Two Democratic senators claim they have reached the “inescapable conclusion” that Israel is acting on a systematic plan to destroy and ethnically cleanse Palestinians from Gaza to force local people to leave, and they say the US is complicit.
Chris Van Hollen of Maryland and Jeff Merkley of Oregon, both members of the Senate foreign relations committee, on Thursday after returning from a congressional delegation to the Middle East where, they note, the destruction goes beyond bombs and bullets. They say they also found a systematic campaign to strangle humanitarian aid, which they call “using food as a weapon of war
The Netanyahu government has gone far beyond targeting Hamas to imposing collective punishment on all the people of GazaVan Hollen said at a Thursday press conference. “What they’re doing, and what we witnessed, is putting those goals into action.
At least one hundred people have died from famine in Gaza, the United Nations said this week

SharonEllis · 07/10/2025 08:49

KoalaKoKo · 07/10/2025 08:07

Firstly that is one person out of 500, if we claimed every Israeli was a murderer because of the actions of the IDF and settlers you would loudly rightly object. Just as all Palestinians are not Hamas and all Israelis don’t want to murder Palestinian babies, all the people on the flotilla are not the same person.

Secondly, and importantly, she says someone set up a social media account with her name and picture and posted that to discredit her. If she actually posted that under her own name online it is unlikely she would then say “it wasn’t me”. Given that this happened to a wonderful journalist who was murdered by the IDF, he ended up having 3 accounts with his picture and pro Israel accounts were sharing snapshots of things “he posted” which in fact were from one of the two fake accounts. This makes me question the legitimacy of the tweets. Let us not forget how the IDF also shared video footage of Hamas looting that turned out to be a gang in their employ, they put a lot of effort using social media to give it the old razzle dazzle and manipulate the public.

Oh come on, she is very well known and for a long time. Anyone who follows this subject knows of her & her rabid racism. She has been prosecuted for goodness sake. Anyone with a shed of decency would not be alongside her in any context.

SpaceRaccoon · 07/10/2025 08:36

CrossChecking · 07/10/2025 08:13

The severely ill child? Just the one was there? Hospitals in Italy have gone down hill since I was in one with my kid with a broken finger last year.

Are you denying that Israel facilitates sick children travelling for medical treatment?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/first-group-of-gazan-children-arrive-for-specialist-nhs-treatment#:~:text=First%20group%20of%20children%20from,medical%20treatment%20on%20the%20NHS.&text=Severely%20ill%20children%20from%20Gaza,UK%20with%20their%20immediate%20families.

inamarina · 07/10/2025 08:27

WoodlandLove · 07/10/2025 06:57

Are you sure she was talking about the entire nation? I think she may just have been referring to the police/guards who dealt with them personally? I don't know though.
I personally abhor antisemitism and would never tar an entire population of a country with the same brush. I was utterly horrified by October 7th, two years ago today. But, am also utterly horrified by the genocide in Gaza and I unequivocally condemn Netanyahu as the criminal he is. The IDF are committing a genocide, and I do think some of them have lost their humanity. They have to have to starve innocents like that.
Those two things are not mutually exclusive at all. I think it's a pretty widespread view - October 7th and antisemitism - horrific, the genocide in Gaza - horrific.
Re the flotilla folk - I see them as very brave and genuine. Obviously there may be some exceptions, but those I've seen interviewed definitely gave no impression of being pro Hamas. Just pro babies being fed etc.

She said “Israelis”, I not going to start guessing what she actually meant.

Ihatetomatoes · 07/10/2025 08:20

SharonEllis · 07/10/2025 08:01

Info on some of the flotilla members.

includes holocaust denial, open support for hamas and celebration of 7 October.

gnasherjew.com/flotilla-to-provide-aid-for-gaza-laden-with-supporters-of-terrorism-antisemites-and-holocaust-deniers/

Wow, having read details of the 'activists' in that list, they are terrorist supporters justification being 'resistance ' ... October 7th was a massive terrorist attack, rapecis nit resistance. They (the people on that list) need locking up.

inamarina · 07/10/2025 08:19

SpaceRaccoon · 07/10/2025 00:01

You didn’t read how they were treated then I see.

I read it. I just didn't believe it. I'll take the opinions of Holocaust deniers and their pals with a large pinch of salt.

Didn’t those same people claim they were bombed by an Israeli drone in Tunisian waters, which was later denied by Tunisian authorities?

inamarina · 07/10/2025 08:15

quantumbutterfly · 06/10/2025 23:42

I read how detainees from the marches in Egypt were treated.

Good point. Doesn’t fit the “Israel is uniquely evil” narrative though.