Gaza Flotilla - genuine peace activists or Hamas puppets?

I'm not making 'excuses'. You talk about 'understanding a growing threat' but don't want to look at what increases that threat? Let's just all stick our fingers in our ears then and pretend that governments helping to blow up innocent people in the 1000s has no effect at all on the terror threat. Two completely unrelated topics.

This isn't a thread about Manchester and I never said that they did? Why are you twisting what I said?

To make it clear I said Islamic terrorism rises when Western governments help blow up children in the middle east. Nothing about Jewish people. Manchester or anything else you have made up in your mind.

Germany is the second biggest arms supplier to Israel. The second biggest contributer in the West to 1000s of children being blown up.

Which do you think is the bigger threat, Islamic terrorism in the West or Western supplied weapons in the Middle East. Who is the bigger killer?

The thwarted Hamas attack in Germany today, support that too do you, excuses for that too, Germany isn't bombing anyone either.

What excuses do you offer for islamist terrorist attacks in other parts of the world.

The Jewist people in Manchester have not helped bomb anyone in the middle east.

What a sick twisted comment.

All in society need to realise that Islamic terrorists are a growing threat. Apparently there are almost 39,000 islamists on the 'watch list ' in the UK. Everyone needs to play a part in calling out and reporting people who are radicalised. Recognise the problem and look for solutions.

There was a thwarted Hamas attack in Germany today.

Can I just remind you of this inflammatory and hateful post? No wonder attacks like the one in Manchester today are happening.

Lofty sentiments, which I agree with in general; but if you are blind to the rise of radical Islam and the threat it poses to Israel... and more broadly to the Jewish people, including here in the UK... then I'm not sure what it will take to get you to see the dangers here

You do know that radical Islam is acknowledged as the greatest terror threat to Europe? Not just to Israel?

Bigotry is what is wrong with the world - the terrorist attack today was caused by bigotry. When we think people are less than us because they are a different ethnicity, religion or race and attribute bad characteristics to people based on their ethnicity we can justify all sorts of terrible acts.

Most of us actually feel empathy for other human beings, mothers in particular do not want to see small children suffer. If you don’t care about children dying and suffering, if you are not moved by the images of crying children who have lost family members and have no food, you have something seriously wrong with you.

At least Hells is honest, not hiding under a cloak of faux empathy for the suffering of civilians.

There has been at statement on the peace plan from Ireland. Welcoming the plan, carefully worded to say “ we hope it can provide a basis for progress towards peace”

points out that Palestinians and the people of Israel need to be at the heart of a sustainable agreement that delivers lasting peace - adds in that we know this from Northern Ireland.

Totally bizarre that you think that there would not be one. Ireland was once on outlier calling for a ceasefire but it really isn’t now.

Not even attempting to hide the bigotry!

Indeed. The cheering of IDF soldiers when they blow a civilian up- also grim
why condemn only one?

Disgusting comment

She didn't say anything about winning.

It offers Israel no protection either. All this does is kick the can down the road.

I saw a video yesterday of the IDF detaining 2 little Palestinian boys, I don't know maybe 6 and 8, maybe younger, one of them was crying his heart out, like heartbroken and terrified. When a local said that they were just kids the soldier said 'I don't care'. People talk about Palestinians being radicalised, this is the 'radicalisation', treat people like they are sub human and they will hate you. Push your way into their homes, detain their little children, steal their homes, forbid people from walking down their streets and using their roads, you aren't 'winning' anything.

It's disgusting behaviour that the whole world is now aware of. The genie can't be put back in the bottle. Israelis can keep trying to ignore what their government and what their soldiers are responsible for but the rest of the world won't.

Wars are categorised in history as which side won and which side lost.

Every war is way more nuanced than that and you could always question if the “winning” side should really be described in that way, given all the deaths (on both sides), destruction & ongoing problems after the war has ended.

It’s still the way wars will be described after they end. This one will be too by future generations studying it.

People don’t want to see Palestinians dying, our problem is this does not stop Israel from just razing Palestine again in another few years. It offers no protection. The fact you see this about “winning” is messed up.

The cheering on release of the Bibas babies was something to behold. Grim.

So that’s most Palestinians then.

Its feels like it wasn't about the children. Ceasefire now, then the potential of stopping the war and some would rather it went on. Heck, priorities of saving innocents soon got thrown to the side. Hypocritical really.

There is absolutely nothing legal about this disgusting ‘war’ and I dream that justice will prevail one way or another in the end- it makes me wish there was a hell for Netanyahu to rot in, along with all people who celebrate the murders of children- children of any nationality, religion, race or creed.

It's just less rape, starvation, torture and death

I mean that does sound like an improvement? Seriously though, a peace deal has to be a good thing - it is a step forward and prevents more children from dying.

The losers in wars don’t get to dictate terms and for months and months people on here have been saying they just care about innocents dying and want the war to stop - now some seem to be saying ‘yes but not like that’ - so maybe it’s not all about preventing the deaths of children?

Having been accused many times on here of not caring or even being gleeful about children being killed, despite stating clearly and regularly that all the deaths in this war are tragic (though I’m not losing sleep over Hamas and Hezbollah operatives), it’s a little surprising to see this take!

I definitely do not trust Hamas , I assume in common with most people who have been horrified by the atrocities committed on both sides of this terrible situation. However, I do trust the UN : https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds

My point was that debating that debating the merits of Flotilla is like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic, as an awful tragedy unfolds further in front of us.