Trump's new Gaza Plan

I think they need to be freed of Hamas too. I hope the deal is taken.

I agree
The Palestinians are at the mercy of everyone

How can Gazans answer. It’s Hamas who are answering and anyone who protests against them is killed.

It’s hardly a surprise that the Israeli population would support it
but
Is it the right plan for the Palestinian population as they’re the ones that actually live in Gaza

In the short term, absolutely
In the long term, very doubtful

Im hoping the plan will have more detail and assurances as it’s all very vague at the moment and Netanyahu is still changing his mind on parts

‘Persecute’ is an odd choice of word. Hunt them down yes. But I imagine anyone Mossad is keen on ‘getting’ they have ‘got’ already.

I do think the PA have made steps recently to change the status quo as they have also stopped ‘pay for slay’ payments. There has to be radical change to move forward.

From what I have read (and heard) the plan has widespread support politically and population wise in Israel. Bibi does not need the right wing that he has needed before. If anything people want this moved on sooner rather than later due to the hostage situation and Hamas constantly threatening/ saying they have ‘mislaid’ them.

Hamas are in a corner with options disappearing rapidly both diplomatically and on the battle field.

It is a humiliation for them on an epic scale after October 7th when they had a mantra of onto Jerusalem. They are now in position where the borders of Gaza are going to be a little further from Jerusalem, thousands killed, property and infrastructure devastated. Defeated doesn't seem an adequate word.

It would be great to see this jihadi death cult lay down their weapons and apologise to the Gazan people and this may now be reality though a tough one to actualise.

It's also a humiliation for all the pro Palestinian protestors who now have to look to how to protest against a settlement that has been agreed by the world including the UN and gulf states. Will the protests still continue maybe as an expression of what the feel is a forced surrender in desperate attempt to keep the Palestinian cause in the media headlight? Will the Jew hate continue to spread with calls for boycotts etc. or will they stop.

Interesting times .

Too many hidden agendas in this plan.

I hope all those affected are given time to discuss and make compromises / amends.

Will that happen ?
Is it ‘allowed’ to ?

Your post implied as much: if someone references the Palestinians being desperate, you don’t have to immediately start discussing terrorism.

You could argue that Israel also have policies that encourages and rewards terrorism. Worth looking into.

The sooner Hamas are gone, the better. But Israel need to change too if peace is ever going to happen in that area.

I hope Hamas agree to the proposal because it’ll hopefully bring an end to the bombing of Gaza and related deaths/injuries plus it will enable more aid in etc. I’m not sure what they’ll decide though. As I’ve mentioned before, it depends who is now taking the lead on negotiations and whether they have enough control to ensure militants in Gaza don’t ruin any diplomacy.

But I still find BN’s rhetoric concerning though - specifically the continued rejection of a Palestinian state in the medium to long term. Whilst I understand the need for interim measures, particularly to kick start de-radicalisation and ensure aid and medical facilities are accessible, I think there’s a real danger in repeating the cycle of extremism if Palestinians are forced to live long term under foreign rule. Surely, real peace is when Palestinians have autonomy away from foreign powers OR terrorist rule. I feel disappointed that that isn’t the end point/ultimate aim of this agreement (if Hamas agree). My cynical fear is that Trump, his SIL, BN and rich parties in the ME are going to get very rich from the real estate opportunities a flattened beachside piece of land will offer and the Palestinians will continue to be treated as second class citizens in that area. This, in turn, gives groups like Hamas more power which will only end with more Israeli deaths. The biggest focus should be on de-radicalisation and that means really looking after the people in Gaza by ensuring they have proper shelter, food and access to medical care.

Why do you feel the need to state that? No one said ALL Palestinians are.

There are certainly a lot in the Palestinian population in general though, and even more supporters of terrorism. I can't think of any other State or country with a government policy of enacting terrorism or rewarding terrorism like the Palestinians. That includes the West Bank btw.

Over such a long period of time too.

Quick reminder - not all Palestinians are terrorists.

Or that they are willing to try and find a route to peace.

And that demonstrates just how desperate this poor group of people are.

And yet the PA has apparently 'welcomed' the plan.

In the Guardian

"In a little noticed part of the 20-point Trump peace plan, the Palestinian Authority (PA) will only be considered to have reformed itself and be eligible to run what has been described as ‘New Gaza’ if it drops all involvement in the legal cases being taken against the US or Israel at the international court of justice (ICJ) and the international criminal court (ICC).

The ICJ is still examining whether Israel has or is committing a genocide in Gaza, as well as whether Israel has breached the UN’s immunities by throwing the UN Palestinians right agency Unrwa out of Gaza.

The ICC has issued an arrest warrant for the Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

The requirement that the PA drop all legal actions against the US and Israel in all tribunals is only mentioned in the plan when the document says the PA will only be able to take over the administration of Gaza from technocrats when it has “completed its reform programme, as outlined in various proposals, including president Trump’s peace plan in 2020”.

The 2020 peace plan stated it was a requirement that the PA take no action, and shall dismiss all pending actions, against the state of Israel, the United States (US) and any of their citizens before the international criminal court the international court of justice and all other tribunals.

It also required the PA to take no action against any Israeli or US citizen before Interpol or any non-Israeli or US – as applicable – legal system."

That's an outrageous clause designed to subvert international law.

Good!

@Lolapusht couldn't agree more with your last para. People need to wise up and accept there is no perfect solution, no perfect process. But if fewer people die in the future than the past then there is hope.

@Lolapusht Mossad will continue to persecute Hamas, wherever they hide.

If you’re looking for peace in the region, you’re looking at the wrong thing.

That’s not going to happen for decades, if not generations.

It was taken off the table on Oct 7.

That attack was way too damaging, for both sides, for there to be the possibility of sitting down and having the sorts of discussions needed for lasting peace. You’re expecting two parties to have a rational discussion while pointing loaded guns at each other’s heads.

Oct 7 changed the narrative and created an additional set of problems that need to be addressed before a permanent solution can even be started on.

One of the most interesting things this deal has illustrated is the understanding people may or may not have of the region and how international relations work.