Footage shows public executions in Gaza City street

It’s going to be all very awkward for the moral left when what a free Palestine actually means becomes quite apparent

Absolutely something else.

On one hand I know its completely pointless posting but on the other some of what is being said is so preposterous, so completely absurd it's almost impossible not to type...

And end with this? Public executions?

You're right, Gaza has been raining missiles on Israel for decades and carrying out cross-border attacks. But war began on 7 Oct, and I'm not blaming Israel for that.

@dairydebris This thread truly is something else, hey!?!?

I would be astonished if you have evidence that Israel, poor though it is on length of pre-trial detention, executes its own citizens without trial in public in front of a baying mob for offences of alleged or perceived collaboration, which is the comparator for "similar" behaviour.

Ah, so you've put a arbitrary qualification on that - executing a human being who happens to be your own citizen = BAD, executing a human being who happens not to be your citizen (and killing. Perhaps dozens of innocent people at the same time) = totally legit!

Don't you see how bonkers that is.

"Neither side should be summarily executing the 'other side'. But at least these guys weren't bombed next to their family whilst they slept at night.:

They were executing their OWN SIDE!

You think its more acceptable to be executed by your own government with no trial, just a show execution in the street with your countrymen cheering your death?

I honestly cant believe what I'm reading. Just when I think this forum cant surprise me anymore....

No Hamas didn't start the war. That's been going on decades. There was no peace before 7/10, as Palestinians were still subject to arbitrary detention, shooting ,torture, rape, murder and airstrikes on their homes.

What they were like before 7/10 is irrelevant. I'm not saying they did a good thing. I think it's abhorrent. What I'm puzzled that, is how anyone can believe that these public executions are abhorrent, whilst justifying Israeli executions, which have been happening daily, and often kill innocent children as well.

I'm saying that both are bad. How can you justify one and not the other?

Well I’d expect you to remain as cool as a cucumber with endless drone attacks, constant displacement, possible family members killed and only what you can carry as your possessions.

Hamas was an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood.

You attribute the murders to a "breakdown of law and order" so let's take the point where Hamas were elected in Gaza as a point when there was sufficient law and order for them to have had functioning justice. They have never indulged in fair trials for anyone they think might have collaborated with Israel, or for that matter anyone who might collaborate with or be sympathetic to Fatah.

I would be astonished if you have evidence that Israel, poor though it is on length of pre-trial detention, executes its own citizens without trial in public in front of a baying mob for offences of alleged or perceived collaboration, which is the comparator for "similar" behaviour.

Ehh.

Israeli government- killing the enemy to look out for Israeli future ( massively simplified but you get the idea.)

Hamas- killing the enemy and their own people, and anyone who does something they don't align with.

Can you honestly not see how one is worse than the other?

Totally agree. Idiotic.

Hamas started a war.

And fight dirty (using civilians as cover).

They should have surrendered, obviously, instead of fighting this losing battle and executing their own.

'Not sure what they should have done' is an unbelievable way of viewing this.

Yes, it's appalling, but can someone honestly answer how it is any worse than Israel bombing a household full of people to execute someone from Hamas?

My query is not that Hamas is excusable here, but why don't you apply your same logic to what the IDF is doing on a far larger scale?

Yes to this.

Horrendous. I suppose it shows what people will excuse.

‘Emotions are running high’

Crikey

Hamas has previously carried out extra judicial killings and executed people who opposed them under the claim of them being collaborators . They were doing it in 2013 so long before the current conflict. There were no trials and the usual claim is that the people killed were Israeli informants. Often it's a cover for clan rivalries . No trial and just seized from a vehicle then shot and bodies then kicked, spat on and dragged behind a motorbike

www.cbc.ca/news/world/hamas-militants-kill-6-suspected-informers-witnesses-say-1.1172426

Were these people collaborators? Who knows, no evidence, no trial and no chance to plead their case. Just shot in public. Good way to scare the rest of the population into not going against Hamas

It's all Israel's fault apparently for making them feel so shit that they have to behave like, errrmmm, terrorists 🤡

Hamas was born from this conflict, there's never been a 'before conflict' time. If you mean before 7/10, I have no clue on their justice system. I suspect it would be lacking, but it's pretty irrelevant for now. In the same period you're talking about, Israel were similarly executing its enemies, including those within Gaza, whenever it fancied.

Do you think that before the conflict, Hamas arrested alleged collaborators, read them their rights, ensured they had legal representation and then offered them a fair trial?

Interesting to see posters making excuses for this.

It speaks volumes.

Just a reminder of how the French treated French Nazi collaborators and they’d only been under occupation for a few years v decades.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartime_collaboration

True, that's definitely an option. Though it's a high risk strategy in case he escapes. But again, you're expecting Hamas to act in a far more civilised way than Israel would have done here.

Israel would have just executed them, even so they have ample prisons that they like filling with Palestinians and detaining them without charge.