Footage shows public executions in Gaza City street

Ah yeah, how silly of me. Obviously someone who is collaborating with Israel is on the side of Palestinians

This thread is like the twighlight zone. People who have been cheering on and excusing extreme violence without a shred of evidence except 'Israel said so' , excusing the holding and torture of people who haven't even been charged with a crime in Israeli prisons, suddenly wanting fair trials for alleged crimes. One rule for thee another for me. Again.

You can blow up a whole apartment block full of families if you think there may be a terrorist inside, you can shoot random people in the street if you think they may be a terrorist because remember terrorists don't wear uniforms so they could be anyone, if you think some one is working with your enemy though you must absolutely find them a lawyer and give them a fair trial(unless your enemy is Hamas of course then screw evidence and trials blow that fucker and everybody within a 100metre radius up). It makes complete sense if you have a basic understanding of the pro Israel mindset.

If my kid was killed by the murdering scum in the IDF and then people who collaborated with these murdering scum, including the head of a gang who shot Palestinians and stole from them, was paraded out and executed I would likely cheer and I am anti the death penalty.

When you have had everything taken from you, house blown up, family murdered, driven from place to place with no food, medicine or shelter - PTSD from the bombs and then suddenly there is someone who has worked with the people who did this to you and you expect these people to behave dignified and say “well I think they deserve a fair trial”. It is easy to judge from your comfy armchair in Israel, the US or the UK but imagine how you would feel if lost everything and everyone, if each night you hear bombs and do not know if you will wake in the morning. Ask yourself, would you cheer.

I am not defending Hamas in any way shape or form. This person is purposely highlighting that civilians were demonstrating hate. I believe that it is an attempt to justify their suffering. I am simply pointing out the other side of the coin.

It is of course preferable to live in Isreal even under the current administration than it is to live in Gaza where you are at risk from Israel and Hamas. But I struggle to understand why some murders are applauded by Israeli supporters and some are demonised. They are all awful.

My SIL lives in Israel and has been out protesting against Netanyahu and posting about this on SM. She is free to do so without fear to her own personal wellbeing. Unlike those who speak out against Hamas.

They’ll be war criminals soon enough. Technically if they go to Spain they already are. So that’s your beautiful IDF.

No they kill everyone else with much cheering and encouragement.

Like I said you have a weird hierarchy of death. Executing people who you think are your enemy( so long as they hold a different citizenship) with the killing and maiming of innocent people - mumsnet pro Israeli folk give a big thumbs up.

Execute people who you think are your enemy but share the same citizenship(well they aren't allowed citizenship but you know what I mean), don't kill innocent people - booo!

It might make sense to you but it sure as heck doesn't to me.

I’m saying that people in Gaza are living in extreme circumstances and we shouldn’t judge them to same standards as those living in safe environments.

Amazing, how you care so much about these characters executed but all the children shot by snipers were actually Hamas operatives rather than just children.

Let's not forget, these collaborators were the 'right kind' of terrorist. Yes he headed up an armed militia, but because he's funded by Israel its totally fine...

It's so grimy and hypocritical.

Don't assassinate people should be a principle you hold the IDF to as well as Hamas.

Seriously! Go find a flag to fly.

Dude if you can't see that people who collaborate with the state that have slaughtered over 60000 people and have the ultimate goal of ethnically cleansing them from their homeland would count as 'the enemy' to those who have been targeted I don't know what to say to you.

Both were executions of an 'enemy' in public without trial to the cheers of various people.

What was the point?
This is who was at the opening of the Palestinian embassy yesterday. Do your MPs drive and abassadors around in bangers then? Who did people think were there? Hamas? Just Arabs because no one else could possibly care? Imagine driving past any other large gathering of diplomats and politicians and people thinking it's noteworthy that they aren't all driving 2004 Nissan micras.

There were MPs by the dozen, about 60 ambassadors, and a smattering of moderately famous faces. Wes Streeting, the health secretary, and John Swinney, the first minister of Scotland, were among those present.

Yes, it's the sort of human rights abuses that are sadly too common in various countries in the Middle East (and elsewhere).

I think we should stick to facts though. Hence why I corrected the notion (that seems accepted fact by many) that gay people were thrown off buildings, and that human rights were on a par with the Taliban.

Let's stick to what that actually do that's awful - we don't need to be making stuff up at well, that's counterproductive as well as being misleading.

No they really do. Do you not remember the jubilant pager thread? I do. The Qatar thread just a week or so ago had lots of people thinking bombing another sovereign country who had agreed to host peace talks was a great idea.

I just don't understand the pro Israel posters hierarchy of murder that they have going on. How many times have we heard that Israeli children were murdered far more brutally than Palestinian children so that makes the deaths of 37 children worse than the 20000 that have been starved, sniped, blown to pieces etc. I know that you have seen that. We all have.

"Less emphasis on human rights than we'd like" oh come now.

Even Amnesty International condemned their routine use of torture and murder against political rivals Fatah during the 2014 conflict: "As well as carrying out unlawful killings, others abducted by Hamas were subjected to torture, including severe beatings with truncheons, gun butts, hoses and wire or held in stress positions. Some were interrogated and tortured or otherwise ill-treated in a disused outpatient’s clinic within the grounds of Gaza City’s main al-Shifa hospital. At least three people arrested during the conflict accused of “collaboration” died in custody."

And whilst the throwing gay people off buildings was Iraq, not Hamas, there is vast amounts of evidence showing how Hamas treat LGBT people - not least UN Watch in 2022: "The Palestinian Authority and Hamas routinely torture human rights activists, women, LGBT persons, political opponents, so-called “collaborators,” and Palestinians who sell land to Jews, the non-governmental group UN Watch charged Thursday. ... Hamas in Gaza also routinely employs torture. Gaza peace activist Rami Aman, who was held by Hamas for more than six months in 2020, <a class="break-all" href="https://rejouer.perma.cc/replay-web-page/w/id-335779ddb582/mp_/www.voanews.com/a/middle-east_gaza-activist-after-lengthy-torture-hamas-forced-me-divorce/6204063.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spoke publicly about being tortured by Hamas.
In March 2019, Hamas security forces severely beat protesters with batons and clubs and arrested more than 1,000, including journalists and human rights defenders. Many were subjected to torture.
Palestinians accused of “collaborating” with Israel are routinely tortured by both the PA and Hamas.
Torture included beatings, putting out cigarettes on their bodies, pulling out teeth, forcing them into painful positions and abusing their genitals."

That's not a little bit of excusable harassment. That's an intolerant hellhole.

On both sides. But war was declared on 7 October because Hamas escalated conflict to a whole new level. Don't act stupid.

This conflict started long before October 7th. Don’t act stupid.

Israelis cheering on the hillside watching Palestinian people being bombed.

Israeli’s chanting death to the Arabs

Israeli politicians openly talk about ethnic cleansing.

People on MN make excuses for blocking aid to a civilian population.

Pro Israeli supporters in the west look at children starving to death and shrug it off, apparently being starved to death is ok if you have an underlying condition.

Pro Israeli supporters in the west make excuses about Gaza having the highest number of child amputees in the world.

It just seems to me like there is an awful lot of hate on both sides and an awful lot of suffering in the middle.

Yes, th point was very clear. Wow this thread is really something. I mean what colour do they think most Israelis are?!

Based on Dawn’s earlier contribution to the thread, I’m guessing white (colonial oppressors).