Footage shows public executions in Gaza City street

One thing I find interesting is the arm chair soldiers are saying they would never cheer a collaborators death while simultaneously justifying the deaths of children as collateral damage or as child soldiers. Funny you know how you have such strong morals in one situation but not the other.

Did you know after World War 2 (and most wars) people deemed collaborators were executed and often punished using sexual crimes - punishing collaborators is a common phenomenon as people who have been put through the worst moments look for someone to blame. In France women had their heads shaved, were raped and were marched naked through the streets as people cheered. Many women were deemed collaborators because they had slept with Nazis and in a lot of cases it wasn’t consensual, some were deemed collaborators because the Nazis took over their houses and they didn’t fight them. In every war you have collaborators punished - often by an angry mob and usually without trial - it is not unique to Hamas though they are of course pretty awful.

The problems with this point are that one, Israel has supported and facilitated the funding of Hamas also. Netanyahu is actually balls deep in that particular problem.

Two, that Hamas has committed gross atrocities against the Palestinian civilian population, and refused to allow elections that would give them legitimacy.

And three, that it is the actions of Hamas (plus some civilian supporters, granted) in the October 7th invasion, for which they sought and had no consent from the Palestinian or even just Gazan people, that were the immediate cause of the present Israeli invasion. These are also not things liable to paint them as legitimate representatives. And that's the other part of the argument that would need to be made.

Armed fighters funded and encouraged by Israel, the same country that is committing war crimes on the people, are unlikely to be considered legitimate representatives.

Trying to be an alternative to Hamas is one thing, working with the enemy is collaboration. Anyone funded by the same machine that's committing genocide against your people, isn't exactly going to be welcomed with warm arms.

Wow are you really using that excuse again - there are no children working as operatives for Hamas, there are no child soliders! Hamas, as awful as they are, banned the practise of using children over 20 years ago. Lots of reports and literature about it - it has been covered multiple times on multiple threads. The arm chair soldiers of Israel will need to find a new excuse on why it’s okay to murder and dismember children - get your thinking hats on, it’s a pretty hard one! Personally I can’t think of a single justification.

Yep. Basically, that poster's argument rests on the frankly deranged assumption that Hamas are somehow the more legitimate representatives of the Palestinian people than those who oppose them.

What are your thoughts on Hamas?

And the Israeli propaganda machine won’t change that fact.

The “savages” at this stage are clearly the Israelis.

I said on another thread that if there was ever a two state solution then Palestine would descend into a state of civil war pretty rapidly.

I don’t understand how people can simultaneously think that Hamas doesn’t represent Palestinians yet excuse the execution of clan members who are fighting them. Maybe the clans are the actual resistance in Gaza? They have always been like this, it’s not the current war, it’s how they operate, they terrorise people.

I really don’t understand how any Hamas member can look any Gazan in the eye after bringing this down on their heads whilst full well knowing returning the hostages and surrendering would have brought an end to this 2 years ago.

Israeli collaborators so maybe accused of giving information re the location of hostages or Hamas leaders.

Nice crowd response, cheers & chant s.

What Twiglets chose to say after all of her copy and pasting. Not criticism of Hamas, she chose to focus on the crowd response. That's why I think she set up the thread to say look at those savage Palestinians because that is who she chose to put her focus on.

It wasn't set up to say look at those savage Palestinians. It was set up to say- look at savage Hamas. Why would you think otherwise?

I despair for Gazan civilians. Trapped between the IDF who obviously accept an atrocious level of civilian deaths in their war aims, and their own government who shoots dissidents and refuses to surrender actively courts their own death in support of the cause. I cant imagine the hopelessness. All those people still in Gaza City- are they thinking- I have nothing to live for, I will die soon one way or another, why should I leave?

You seem truly invested in the idea that some of us hate Palestinians. Speaking for myself, I dont. I hate Hamas. You also seem invested in the idea that some of us are cheering on the violence. Again, I haven't seen any cheering on. Its awful to watch the violence and I fervently hope it all ends asap. We only disagree on how the end should come about- but we all hope for it.

Thats me done for today. Another absolute rabbithole of a thread.

'Reported as shot by IDf snipers'

Reported by whom, those bastions of truth tellers hamas?

We had the story of a boy allegedly talking to that Aguilera bloke then 'reported as shot by IDF snipers' who lo and behold was on telly a couple of weeks ago.

No one has been cheering on deaths in gaza, rather very patiently explaining deaths sadly occur in a war and these terrorists increase civilian deaths by setting up shop in civilian areas.

'I'm not sure how posters can with a straight face criticise Palestinians and their reactions under extreme stress'

You're not sure how anyone can criticise terrorists lining civilians up getting them to kneel and murdering them in cold blood, really? Honestly I've read it all now.

My problem with the thread is that it was set up to say oh look at those savage Palestinians cheering on executions when half of the posters here have been doing the same thing from the comfort of their sofas for months. At least Palestinians have the excuse that they have been living in utter hell being chased down across Gaza and starved by genocidal maniacs for 2 years.

I'm not sure how posters can with a straight face criticise Palestinians and their reactions under extreme stress when they've been excusing and cheering on Israels extreme violence across many countries for months now.

Oh I see now. So will you also be condemning the deaths of children in Gaza from bullet wounds? Reported as shot by IDf snipers. What about the execution of health care workers?

The Israeli administration and the IDF are no better than Hamas.

People get killed in airstrikes, that is war. Totally different to lining people up and shooting them, I've no idea how you can't see it.

@Gloriia So everybody on this thread condemned the Rafah paramedic massacre where Israel lined up the red cross workers, shot them and then buried them in a mass grave along with the vehicles that they destroyed, then lied about what actually happened. Oh wait....

None of us have said that these executions are ok. We have just said we have to treat executions in both sides alike, and both are equally wrong.

Being anti death penalty and being a pacifist (so disagreeing with both Israeli and Hamas executions) is pro Hamas now is it?

Well you're the first to equate them and peace.

People get killed in airstrikes, that is war. Totally different to lining people up and shooting them, I've no idea how you can't see it.

Let's try another. In the NI 'troubles' ira terrorists were targeted and killed. That is different to targeting a lorry full of soldiers and blowing them up.

Terrorists bad, security and army forces trying to get rid of said terrorists good. Does that help a bit?

I'd just like to point out that any rival political faction to Hamas will indeed have to be armed and collaborate with Israel. Collaboration with Israel is the only way forward for a Palestinian state.

This is an extra judicial execution, and people on here are sympathizing with Hamas over it.

It boggles my mind ( yet again ) that on a post about an atrocity commited by Hamas to the detriment of its own people, rather than people popping up to wholeheartedly condemn it instead we have the usual suspects just here to criticize Israel.

Gazan civilians are being brutalized by both Israel, their enemy in this war, and by their own government, whos purpose should be to protect them and improve their lives. Theres absolutely no way forward for Palestine with Hamas anywhere near power.

Im aware Hamas isnt on mumsnet but I'm absolutely sure they are emboldened by this kind of attitude in the West.

Those on this thread just to point out the sins of Israel rather than just calling for Hamas to f off forever should be asking themselves why they care more about hating Israel than Hamas.

Israel is a country which kills young people seeking food.

I guess avoiding responding means you don't have to actually deal with the issues posed. Happens time and time again here. When difficult questions are posed, you respond with some version of this or decide it's time to 'take a break'.

It's happened so frequently now it's very transparent what you are doing and why.

I have human compassion for everyone suffering in this war.

Can’t you see that it’s a tragedy when a child is shot by a sniper whether that child presents a danger or not, because no child should ever be put in a position in which it MIGHT present a lethal threat? A child that’s a Hamas operative is still a child.

Can’t you see that it’s a tragedy that a man like Sinwar, clearly highly intelligent and capable, chose as his crowning achievement Oct 7 and the misery that’s followed?

While I do think that a lot of terrorists have got their just deserts jn this war, every death is a waste.

I think your perspective on the executions is naive at best. You can insult me all day long, you’re not going to change my perspective on an organisation that executes its people in the street.