Footage shows public executions in Gaza City street

Many atrocities and human rights abuses have taken place in various Middle Eastern countries. No one's doubting that.

But that's not what you alleged.

You said other countries in the Middle East who are doing the same as Israel, which in this context, clearly meant (as I indeed clarified to you), trying to force people to collaborate with those that are killing them, and when they refuse killing the family by destroying their house.

Do you have any evidence for those really serious claim?

pp seemed curious about authoritarianism in the middle east. I think the word civilised was used apparently as a synonym for democracy.

@quantumbutterfly not sure “there are countries as bad as Israel” is the defence you think it is… especially when you include Syria, Egypt and Saudi

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/egyptian-military-used-mass-grave-uncovered-sinai

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/04/27/turkish-border-guards-torture-kill-syrians

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/09/iran-over-1000-people-executed-as-authorities-step-up-horrifying-assault-on-right-to-life/

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241112-21000-workers-killed-building-saudis-the-line-project-media-reports/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/11/23/un-yemen-recovery-possible-in-one-generation-if-war-stops-now

https://snhr.org/blog/2025/03/01/222-civilian-deaths-including-17-children-and-37-women-as-well-as-nine-deaths-due-to-torture-recorded-in-february-2025-in-syria/

Not only their homes were destroyed but 36 of the people in them - randomly.

This war is very confusing. It was started by Hamas, who don't wear uniforms and claim that everyone killed is innocent. Identifying the enemy is complicated. The pager explosions were an ingenious way to target them specifically. This looks like another way of identifying who is pro/vs Hamas. Even without access to military intelligence, it doesn't look "random" to me...?

You're the one that has alleged other Middle Eastern countries have done exactly the same as Israel, in killing large numbers of people, and then demanding those same people assist them, and when they refuse bombing them destroying their property and killing their family.

It's not for me to disprove, you as the one that raised this. What proof do you have? Or is it just more throwing dirt and seeing what'll stick?

An allegation? In the court of Mumsnet?

You're confident that no other middle eastern country visits brutal punishment on dissenting people and their families. I hear and see otherwise.

Interesting …. that Israel is up to their old tricks: just like they backed Hamas to the hilt so as to weaken the Palestinian Authority so there could never be a Palestinian State because of the resulting divisions, now they are trying again using other groups.

Would it be really by any chance be to help the Palestinians, even as they, the Israeli government, continue to bomb the Palestinians in Gaza, and harrass or even kill Palestinians in the West Bank, and steal and their land and settle it? ……. while informing the world that there will never be a Palestinian state?

I mean thats what's happened after every war has ended with one side surrendering ever... oh apart from medieval times where every last man was slaughtered and women and children taken as slaves.

Yes of course future Palestinian leadership will have to cooperate with Israel and vv.

On this we both agree. I guess I was using it as shorthand for 'democracy' because so many people on here seem to link the two. I think I got caught up by the language used by the pro-israeli side.

However, I suspect you're just picking on my wording because you can't actually answer my question. You alleged that other countries in the Middle East act in the same way. Could you please let me know what other countries have tried to force individuals to work for a country that's killing them, and then destroyed them and killed their families for refusing.

This is a hugely serious allocation to make. Do you stand by it, and if so, what evidence do you have of this?

They also don't see themselves as against Hamas either.

You know, the ones who brought war on them and their people, and are the reason for the civilian deaths and devastation in this conflict, as well as 18 years of terror murdering and torturing their own people and starting wars with Israel, while stealing aid making their leaders billionaires while ordinary Palestinians live in poverty.

I thought the pro Pal line was that Palestinians were too afraid to go against Hamas and that's why they've held onto power as government of Gaza for 18 years, but here we have Palestinians being offered the equipment and backing of Israel to defeat them but no dice.

Interesting..........

Just wondering which country you think is the most civilised. The most stable countries in the middle east seem somewhat restrictive and often brutal compared to my experience, but I would hesitate to deny their claim to civilisation.

So on one hand Israel are committing genocide of Palestinians but on the other they are trying to collaborate with Palestinians to create anti-Hamas enclaves to try to end the war?

Which is it?

Is there evidence the IDF bombed them because these clans refused to cooperate?

Or, as this thread is about how Palestinians who collaborate with the Israeli army may be brutally executed in the street by Hamas, maybe they were too scared to collaborate with the Israelis.

It would seem, however, from this IDF punishment for non-collaboration with them, that execution in the street by Hamas for the clan leaders, (had they collaborated with Israel) might have been a better choice for them than refusing to collaborate with Israel.

It was the latter that lead to the most brutal devastation for them and their families.

Basically these people don’t see themselves as collaborators with those who have killed thousands upon thousands of their people, including women and children, and were their oppressors and stealers of their land even before Hamas started this war.

Yes.

Not only their homes were destroyed but 36 of the people in them - randomly.

Imagine a country bombing the U.K. then trying to set up a spy network here among some people they think might be good contenders then, if they refused, destroying their houses and whoever was inside them

Everyone likes to think of itself as a civilised democracy, lots of people on here say that's what makes it unique within the Middle East.

And I'm not sure you're right anyway, what other countries say ' I'm I know we're killing your family, and committing genocide. But you must work with us or will blow up your house'.

If you've got any examples the of this that you'd like to give a link to, I will absolutely read it. But from what I can see it's more Israeli bully tactics.

I don't care what their politics are - you don't just go on blowing up people's houses.

You can't honestly expect people to co-operate with the people that have been dropping bombs in their family.

Civilised? Countries throughout the middle east who consider themselves civilised operate like that. In your view, which country epitomises civilisation. China's had a sophisticated 'civilisation' for many thousands of years.

Sounds a bit...racist.

How do you actually know they don't support Hamas though.

No they are just unwilling to collaborate with the people that have been committing genocide against their people. They don't want to be complicit in the genocide of their people. And as punishment their homes were destroyed.

Do what we say or will destroy your home isn't exactly the mark of a civilised country is it?

So basically these clans don't want Hamas to be defeated?

A converse event to the OP, reported in the Times of Israel, is that the IDF have destroyed the homes of, and killed 36 from, two family clans who refused to collaborate with Israel.

From The Times of Israel today:
Israel recently approached two large Gaza City clans about forming anti-Hamas enclaves in the city, and, after being turned down, bombed homes that belong to them, according to a report in the Saudi daily Asharq Al-Awsat on Sunday.

The outlet said the Shin Bet approached representatives of the Durmush and Bakr families, both of which have remained in Gaza City, about implementing a plan to divide the city into zones controlled by armed groups supported by Israel.

According to the report, which cited security sources and contacts on the ground in Gaza, the Durmush and Bakr families rejected the offer, which would have required them to fight Hamas and pass intelligence to Israel.

The proposed scheme appeared to be similar to a model implemented with armed groups carving out anti-Hamas enclaves in Gaza’s south that claim support from Israel.
A member of the Bakr family, who asked not to be named, confirmed the details to the paper.

According to the sources cited by Asharaq Al-Awsat, the families rejected the offer on Friday. On Saturday, Israel struck several houses belonging to members of the families in Gaza City, killing about 36 people, the report said.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-says-it-has-lost-contact-with-two-hostages-amid-idf-push-into-gaza-city/

You havent insulted anyone? 😂Yeah Im sure those posts were deleted by accident.