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Laura Kuensberg PLO representative - insulting to UK

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mids2019 · 21/09/2025 14:51

So there was a PLO representative on politics today who essentially ranted about the UK having to feel colonial guilt over Palestine and happy we finally recognised the state. At no point during the interview did the representative suggest the borders for any Palestinian state should be as current but only made references to historic wrongs which many will interpret as the formation of Israel. The guy (it's always a man) really did think that the recognition of a Palestinian state by the UK was an acknowledgment Israel shouldn't be formed.....a Hamas propaganda coup. (Thanks Keir).

At least Laura made a statement that the description of the war in Gaza as genocide by the representative was not the view of the BBC.

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mouthpipette · 25/09/2025 13:41

ScrollingLeaves · 21/09/2025 21:16

BBC Radio 4 did a good, clear resume this afternoon of the history of Britain’s involvement in Palestine.
The report on this history begins 5:30 minutes in:

The World this Weekend
Britain and Palestine

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002js8f?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

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Good piece of journalism from the BBC, objective and accurate, it's well worth a listen. Thanks for the link.

Twiglets1 · 24/09/2025 17:22

TomeTome · 23/09/2025 17:04

I disagree I think there is real appetite worldwide to lift the Palestine out of the hell that Israel has subjected it to and help them get back on their feet. When people work together for good much can be achieved.
As far as rebuilding cities, that’s not new. Many cities around the world have been rebuilt.

That all sounds really positive.

TomeTome · 23/09/2025 17:04

I disagree I think there is real appetite worldwide to lift the Palestine out of the hell that Israel has subjected it to and help them get back on their feet. When people work together for good much can be achieved.
As far as rebuilding cities, that’s not new. Many cities around the world have been rebuilt.

Martymcfly24 · 23/09/2025 16:51

Do you agree with the Trump Plan @mids2019 ?

mids2019 · 23/09/2025 16:16

Lots of rhetoric until you see the bill. I don't know if we have ever had ambitious plans to reconstruct a city state at scale. How long did Hisroshima take to rebuild? 10-20 years. I don't think Egypt has the cash and I don't think it will be a loan. The oil roach states will slowly back off any pledges ... that leaves the Trump plan really.

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Twiglets1 · 22/09/2025 08:16

Arab states led by Egypt have a plan for rebuilding Gaza. So does Trump!

Who knows who will rebuild it in the end, time will tell I guess.

TomeTome · 22/09/2025 07:55

HellsBalls · 22/09/2025 07:07

😀Israel is in a justified war.
They won’t need to pay reparations.

I don’t agree. Not only do I think they should pay for rebuilding, I think they will be held to account as we would expect. I would imagine most honourable people will welcome that on all sides.

HellsBalls · 22/09/2025 07:07

TomeTome · 22/09/2025 06:57

Israel will be made to pay for the damage they have inflicted and war crimes committed. Personally I think it’s likely Israel will struggle to find countries to trade with and Palestine will find many people willing and eager to offer a hand.

😀Israel is in a justified war.
They won’t need to pay reparations.

TomeTome · 22/09/2025 06:57

mids2019 · 21/09/2025 16:45

Palestine would be a very poor state of ever a state was created. It's closest trading neighbour Israel would be loath to set up deals or allow immigration which would be it's perfect right. Gaza would become a welfare state without a functioning economy. Try driving through Manchester or Birmigham and imagine have to build these cities from scratch with modern buildings and infrastructure and estimate the cost......not cheap. Who would supply the money to make the state of Palestine justifiable. Rich Arab states....they have better investments. Maybe the UK if a loon like Corbyn or Sultana were elected?

there are developing countries worldwide much more worthy of western investment and Palestine does not have some God given right for some mythical donor to pull out a massive cheque book.

Israel will be made to pay for the damage they have inflicted and war crimes committed. Personally I think it’s likely Israel will struggle to find countries to trade with and Palestine will find many people willing and eager to offer a hand.

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itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 22/09/2025 06:29

mids2019 · 22/09/2025 05:50

It was interesting the the PA representative was visibly angered when free and fair elections were mentioned and he kept stating 'it's not our behaviour that's the problem'. I think all senior Palestinians know that there will be nothing truly democracy is about a new state. We also know any new state will have laws that will subjugate women yet everyone is in a rush to see this happen.

Just the women then? And not another religion? Like it is in Israel?

mids2019 · 22/09/2025 05:50

It was interesting the the PA representative was visibly angered when free and fair elections were mentioned and he kept stating 'it's not our behaviour that's the problem'. I think all senior Palestinians know that there will be nothing truly democracy is about a new state. We also know any new state will have laws that will subjugate women yet everyone is in a rush to see this happen.

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quantumbutterfly · 21/09/2025 23:47

User37482 · 21/09/2025 22:11

Most arab countries without oil wealth are a bit of a mess tbh. Trying really hard to think of one thats actually stable. Poor governance, corruption (tbf the PA is probably less corrupt than the leaderships of many neighbouring countries). Think the forst thing that would happen in an independent Palestinian state would be civil war to be frank.

I do actually think there needs to be a Palestinian state but I don’t think this intervention was very helpful, useful or anything other than a bit of politicking.

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I suspect the idealogues have not thought through the consequence of their actions..

User37482 · 21/09/2025 22:11

Most arab countries without oil wealth are a bit of a mess tbh. Trying really hard to think of one thats actually stable. Poor governance, corruption (tbf the PA is probably less corrupt than the leaderships of many neighbouring countries). Think the forst thing that would happen in an independent Palestinian state would be civil war to be frank.

I do actually think there needs to be a Palestinian state but I don’t think this intervention was very helpful, useful or anything other than a bit of politicking.

ScrollingLeaves · 21/09/2025 21:31

peanutbuttertoasty · 21/09/2025 21:23

The stupidity of our terrorist-loving government will never cease to amaze me

I was interested to learn that Jewish terrorists in Israel attacked the British and were one of the reasons they gave up their mandate.

GladioliGreen · 21/09/2025 21:26

quantumbutterfly · 21/09/2025 17:01

Brigades, uniforms, command structure, weaponry, communication hubs, training camps, recruitment officers....what's in a name?

So an army can carry out a terrorist attack now? The people who wouldn't stop yammering on about the BBC not describing Hamas as a terrorist org seemed to think there was a lot in a name.

peanutbuttertoasty · 21/09/2025 21:23

The stupidity of our terrorist-loving government will never cease to amaze me

ScrollingLeaves · 21/09/2025 21:16

BBC Radio 4 did a good, clear resume this afternoon of the history of Britain’s involvement in Palestine.
The report on this history begins 5:30 minutes in:

The World this Weekend
Britain and Palestine

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002js8f?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

strangerandstranger · 21/09/2025 19:11

mids2019 · 21/09/2025 16:45

Palestine would be a very poor state of ever a state was created. It's closest trading neighbour Israel would be loath to set up deals or allow immigration which would be it's perfect right. Gaza would become a welfare state without a functioning economy. Try driving through Manchester or Birmigham and imagine have to build these cities from scratch with modern buildings and infrastructure and estimate the cost......not cheap. Who would supply the money to make the state of Palestine justifiable. Rich Arab states....they have better investments. Maybe the UK if a loon like Corbyn or Sultana were elected?

there are developing countries worldwide much more worthy of western investment and Palestine does not have some God given right for some mythical donor to pull out a massive cheque book.

They are a welfare state. Its a shame their leadership doesn't put their money towards improving things for their people. Im not sure too many countries want to keep giving billions to a welfare state that never seems to want to help itself out.

Martymcfly24 · 21/09/2025 17:19

mids2019 · 21/09/2025 16:45

Palestine would be a very poor state of ever a state was created. It's closest trading neighbour Israel would be loath to set up deals or allow immigration which would be it's perfect right. Gaza would become a welfare state without a functioning economy. Try driving through Manchester or Birmigham and imagine have to build these cities from scratch with modern buildings and infrastructure and estimate the cost......not cheap. Who would supply the money to make the state of Palestine justifiable. Rich Arab states....they have better investments. Maybe the UK if a loon like Corbyn or Sultana were elected?

there are developing countries worldwide much more worthy of western investment and Palestine does not have some God given right for some mythical donor to pull out a massive cheque book.

So what should happen with the land and population there currently instead if a state is not created.

quantumbutterfly · 21/09/2025 17:01

GladioliGreen · 21/09/2025 15:55

They don't have an army as you well know.

Personally, I don't think they will get a chance to choose leadership because Israel will continue deny their right to exist and use their army to aid their terrorist settlers in seizing Palestinian land. Netanyahu himself, the man elected by Israelis to represent them, said 'This land is ours'. The plans are already in place and have been for a long time, it's too little too late from the UK.

Brigades, uniforms, command structure, weaponry, communication hubs, training camps, recruitment officers....what's in a name?

mids2019 · 21/09/2025 16:45

Palestine would be a very poor state of ever a state was created. It's closest trading neighbour Israel would be loath to set up deals or allow immigration which would be it's perfect right. Gaza would become a welfare state without a functioning economy. Try driving through Manchester or Birmigham and imagine have to build these cities from scratch with modern buildings and infrastructure and estimate the cost......not cheap. Who would supply the money to make the state of Palestine justifiable. Rich Arab states....they have better investments. Maybe the UK if a loon like Corbyn or Sultana were elected?

there are developing countries worldwide much more worthy of western investment and Palestine does not have some God given right for some mythical donor to pull out a massive cheque book.

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Twiglets1 · 21/09/2025 16:09

mids2019 · 21/09/2025 14:51

So there was a PLO representative on politics today who essentially ranted about the UK having to feel colonial guilt over Palestine and happy we finally recognised the state. At no point during the interview did the representative suggest the borders for any Palestinian state should be as current but only made references to historic wrongs which many will interpret as the formation of Israel. The guy (it's always a man) really did think that the recognition of a Palestinian state by the UK was an acknowledgment Israel shouldn't be formed.....a Hamas propaganda coup. (Thanks Keir).

At least Laura made a statement that the description of the war in Gaza as genocide by the representative was not the view of the BBC.

Fuck that -I feel no “colonial guilt” whatsoever.

Neither do I expect other countries such as Germany to carry on feeling guilty for past atrocities committed by soldiers either dead now or extremely old.

Look forward not back & don’t hold historic grudges or guilt.

GladioliGreen · 21/09/2025 15:55

quantumbutterfly · 21/09/2025 15:47

Their army already had a crack at genocide, though some people called it self defence.
Their country will be judenfrei and feudal, which is rebranded apartheid.
Leadership will matter, what will they choose?

They don't have an army as you well know.

Personally, I don't think they will get a chance to choose leadership because Israel will continue deny their right to exist and use their army to aid their terrorist settlers in seizing Palestinian land. Netanyahu himself, the man elected by Israelis to represent them, said 'This land is ours'. The plans are already in place and have been for a long time, it's too little too late from the UK.

quantumbutterfly · 21/09/2025 15:47

GladioliGreen · 21/09/2025 15:29

I'd imagine if Palestine became a country they would pay their army to 'slay' people just like Israel and every other country that have the right to self determination do. Hopefully they would use their army for defence and not for genocide, illegal occupation and apartheid like Israel do.

It's about time Palestinians were given the same right to self defence as everybody else.

Their army already had a crack at genocide, though some people called it self defence.
Their country will be judenfrei and feudal, which is rebranded apartheid.
Leadership will matter, what will they choose?

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